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  • in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2336298
    SpudmanWP
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    Does the F-35 has a IR missile integrated on the internal bay ?

    Not till Blk4.

    if development of avionics is done.will it not become obsolete by the time full scale production begins in 2019. around 2020 this thing will need further upgrades to deal with post 2020 SAM systems.

    Block upgrades (primarily software) are on track to happen every 2 years after IOC with hardware upgrades happening every 4 years.

    Since the latest hardware upgrade is TR2 (Tech Refresh 2) that is part of Blk2B, then that puts the next hardware upgrade at Blk4 which is in the 2017/2018 timeframe. The next hardware upgrade would then happen in the 2022/23 timeframe.

    Nothing precludes them from adding whatever weapon or pod to the F-35 in the meantime.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2336340
    SpudmanWP
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    I almost forgot, the F-35 SDD program culminates with Blk3. The Rafale basically went IOC with the F-35’s Blk 1.5. The F-35 will not declare IOC until everything is done, not with just one or two features done.

    btw, Have a source on total Rafale program cost (in what year currency)?

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2336356
    SpudmanWP
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    That’s understandable considering:
    1. Three airframes/missions being developed
    2. Level of avionics integration involved
    3. New technologies in the area of RAM/RAS being developed
    4. Massive amount of software being developed (for both the aircraft and ground ops)
    5. The majority of the avionics dev is done (AESA, EOTS, EODAS, RwW,MADL, etc).
    6. The F-35 SDD program had 20 (IIRC) flying and non-flying fighters.
    7. The low numbers of Rafales actually ordered up to this point.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2337589
    SpudmanWP
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    From what I have read, MWIR is also absorbed less by water vapor in the atmosphere.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2337878
    SpudmanWP
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    LM’s Sniper XR is a “mid-wave” FLIR. Since EOTS is based on teh SniperXR, I would say it’s the same.

    A mid-wave FLIR typically operates in the 3 to 5 μm range (1 μm is 1000 nm or .0001 cm).

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2337936
    SpudmanWP
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    EODAS = Sorry, old habit due to people confusing the F-35’s DAS with the EF’s DASS.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2337960
    SpudmanWP
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    This image is a bit deceiving, to my understanding the DAS is a fixed focus system with 1x mag. It only can see roughly as far as your naked eye can, images taken at 36nm don’t quite apply here.

    How was it deceptive?

    Did you read the two lines above the image?

    Given that, it (EODAS) is not full-blown IRST. Anything a few miles out will be hard to ID (but not track). But that’s what EOTS is for

    Here is a shot of SniperXR (the father of EOTS) at 36nm from downtown Las Vegas.

    I specifically stated that EODAS was not an IRST in the traditional sense and gave the above screen cap of SniperXR (which EOTS is based on) as an example of what an IRST is capable of. In no way did I imply that the 36nm shot was from EODAS.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338426
    SpudmanWP
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    Here is a still of what EODAS can do:

    http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/SpudmanWP/f35das.jpg

    The best way to understand what the EODAS is and is not capable of doing is to watch it in action.

    This Northrup Grumman vid, while being a marketing piece, does show live EODAS imagery starting at the 4:10 mark. Notice that even considering the vid’s low Youtube resolution its capabilities are stunning.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPKw3RksCcI

    Given that, it is not full-blown IRST. Anything a few miles out will be hard to ID (but not track). But that’s what EOTS is for 🙂

    Here is a shot of SniperXR (the father of EOTS) at 36nm from downtown Las Vegas.

    http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/SpudmanWP/24491da5.jpg

    in reply to: japan develops 5:gen after all! #2338477
    SpudmanWP
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    Once they get the F-35 up and flying in Japan they will see for themselves its capabilities. At that point they will make whatever decision is best for them considering the threat at the time and their capabilities to address that threat.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338551
    SpudmanWP
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    Please cite a formal definition of “low observable”, “very low observable” and “extremely low observable” from a credible source.

    I have never said that there was an “official” definition of VLO vs LO, which is precisely why that article that wiki linked to was so absurd for several reasons:

    1. It implied that the RCS of the F-35 was downgraded
    2. It implied that there was an official definition of VLO vs LO
    3. It provided no links to an apparently public government website to back up it’s claims.

    As to the F-35’s RCS, several LM & US Gov & Partner sources refer to it as VLO:

    As a 5th generation fighter, the F-35 brings the advantage of Very Low Observable stealth to each mission.

    https://f35.com/the-f-35/faqs.aspx

    “The F-35’s very low observable (VLO) stealth feature revolutionizes the way pilots engage or fight adversaries,” said David Scott, director of the company’s F-35 international customer engagement office.

    The F-35’s shape, embedded antennas, aligned edges, internal weapons and fuel, and special coatings all contribute to its Very Low Observable (VLO) stealth capability.

    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/documents/f-35/collateral/f35_brochure_a11-34324e001.pdf

    All-Aspect VLO Platform

    http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/FD/Temadokumenter/JSF_RBI-svar.pdf

    The F-35, a 5th generation fighter, is less visible to radar, providing very low observable stealth,

    http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/v2/equip/f35II/index-eng.asp

    Given that LM & AU Officials, in recent testimony, have stated:

    The stealth is meeting planned requirements.

    Our current assessment that we speak of is: greater than six to one relative loss exchange ratio against in four versus eight engagement scenarios—four blue at 35s versus eight advanced red threats in the 2015 to 2020 time frame.

    And it is very important to note that our constructed simulations that Mr Burbage talks about without the pilot in the loop are the lowest number that we talk about—the greater than six to one. When we include the pilot in the loop activities, they even do better when we include all of that in our partner—

    Today, all the KPPs are green (RCS is a KPP)

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commjnt/2dbe833f-6e45-4a8a-b615-8745dd6f148e/toc_pdf/Parliamentary%20Joint%20Committee%20on%20Foreign%20Affairs,%20Defence%20and%20Trade_2012_03_16_898.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22committees/commjnt/2dbe833f-6e45-4a8a-b615-8745dd6f148e/0000%22
    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/committees/commjnt/3cb4e326-70e4-4abd-acb7-609a16072b70/toc_pdf/Parliamentary%20Joint%20Committee%20on%20Foreign%20Affairs,%20Defence%20and%20Trade_2012_03_20_919.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22committees/commjnt/3cb4e326-70e4-4abd-acb7-609a16072b70/0000%22

    That does not sound like there are any problems with the RCS. Certainly not a “downgrade”!

    Everything official points to no issues with it’s RCS.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338615
    SpudmanWP
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    A classic example of not having a source is the wiki claim that the F-35 has been changed from a “Very Low Observable” to just a “Low Observable” fighter. Wiki’s source was an Australian article that mentioned an un-named US government site (without a direct quote or link of course).

    From the Wiki source”

    A crucial aspect of the fighter’s “stealth capability” – radio frequency signatures – has been downgraded from “very low observable” to “low observable”, according to the US Defence Department website.

    in reply to: AVIC JF-17 Thunder versus SAAB JAS-39 Gripen #2338652
    SpudmanWP
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    The Gripen NG Demo craft has the new internal tanks, so I think they have a better idea on the final NG range beyond being a “paper claim”.

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338656
    SpudmanWP
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    Wiki is not reliable because it can be changed by anyone and often comes with no contextual info.

    For example, the cost associated with the F-35A is “F-35A: US$197 million (weapons system flyaway cost, 2012)[4]” ???

    There is no such thing as “weapons system flyaway cost”, it is either “Weapons System Cost” or “Flyaway Cost” as there is a big difference between the two.

    Also notice that the price is for the FY2012 F-35A taken from the FY2013 budget doc. Why not quote the price for the FY2013 F-35A since you are looking at the FY2013 budget doc to begin with?

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338736
    SpudmanWP
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    Your first mistake was trusting wiki and not doing your own homework.

    The F-35’s price has been dropping every year since it was first made and it is already less expensive than the F-22 (while only building 19 per year). Once it hist FRP, it should be close to half the cost of a F-22 (inflation adjusted price).

    in reply to: Hot Dog's Ketchup Filled F-35 News Thread #2338807
    SpudmanWP
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    That is full Weapon System Cost and has not been $200 mil for a couple of years.

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