Why is the integration such a problem?
Bar the AIM-120D increased range does it differ so much from the AIM-120C5/7?
GPS Based INS
Improved HOBS Ability
2-way datalink
Improved Networking
3rd Party Targeting
But again, was just emphasizing that the actual DIRCM’s supplier is probably not yet selected
Likely true.
As far as above JPO graphics are concerned, they will unfortunately need to be re-graphed. Prior JPO estimates are now certified defunct (out the window) – as has been widely anticpated by critics… as Ashton Carter, actual US services and CAPE are the latest battle grounds for revising and better defining the updated estimates.
But there will not be a mature block IV system delivered to anyone, before SDD is completed.. Things schedule wise have also been reshuffled and will be substantially restructured further.
Work on Blk4 will not stop just because SDD is not done. Besides, I already put a one-year delay into my Blk4/5/6 dates above.
As far as CAPE (and all the other Doom & Gloom) estimates go, if LM can do LRIP-4 for 40% than CAPE… what does that do to CAPE credibility?
No, the docs clearly state that initial F-35s for Norway will be Blk4 with later ones being Blk5. Also, all their Blk4 jets are to be upgraded to Blk5.
From the Norway Exec Doc:
The Government of Norway has identified 2014 for acquisition with deliveries starting in 2016. As currently assessed, Norway can expect to have Block 4 capability in their early production aircraft and Block 5 capability in the later production aircraft. Retrofit of new Block capabilities in earlier Block aircraft is a key tenet of our spiral plan.
Geo,
I think you may be confusing terms. Partner nations have signed an MOU which spells out, IIRC, that all partner nation components come from a single source.
Partner nation sales are not FMS sales. Isreal would be an FMS sale and thereby allow them to modify the jets as reported in the news.
As far as when Blocks are IOC for US/Partner/FMS sales, it all depends on when and how quickly they order them.
F-35s ordered for delivery in 2013 are Blk3, 2015 for Blk4, 2017 for Blk5, and 2019 for Blk6. These dates are supported by quotes from JPO (“New blocks every 2 years”), the Norway docs, the std delivery schedule and the above graphic.
As far as how long a Partner or FMS nation takes to go IOC, Norway expects deliveries to begin in 2016 and IOC to be in 2018, so 1.5 to 2 years after first delivery is normal.
Here are the timelines that different Partner and FMS sales are planned:


It will be a customer choice of course (for at least partners).
Yes and no. They have a choice to get a DIRCM but not which DIRCM.
Based on the way the entire program has been structured so far, any partner nation who wants a DIRCM will get whatever DIRCM is chosen by the JPO. There are no choices on components (save the engine, which may not last long). This is one of the tools the JPO is using to ensure supplier availability.
…integration is corresponding to the notional block V upgrade (which would be squadron level IOC, who knows when!!).
I would hope for any F-35 customers that at least block IV (IOC who knows when now) could be modified to adapt a DIRCM.
Anyone who does a little research knows when that is planned. Here is a recent slide showing all the timeline details.

LM Confirms 6 Internal AAM Capability
From Air Force Magazine
Squeezing In Two More Shots: Lockheed Martin’s “Skunkworks” operation has figured out a way to increase the F-35’s air-to-air magazine by 50 percent, company officials told the Daily Report Thursday. With “very modest” changes to the weapon bay and “no changes to the outer mold line,” it will be possible for F-35s to carry up to six AIM-120 AMRAAMs internally instead of the four that it can now bear, one official said. (In this configuration, the F-35 would carry no internal bombs.) With six AMRAAMs inside, the F-35 would match the radar-missile capability of the F-22, but without the Raptor’s two infrared AIM-9 missiles. The company is briefing the Defense Department about the potential weapons bay refinement, which could be done as a product improvement in later lots. Limited internal carriage for air-to-air weapons has been one criticism of the F-35 in some circles.
Since this was a guns only fight, that means exactly zero.
IR AAM maybe, radar AAM doubtful.
That was a UK pilot in a “teen” trying to get a weapon lock, most likely a radar lock.
These photos do not show a weapon lock, just a visual track.
Anyone who thinks that is a pure fanboy.
Everything you said is possible.
For the sake of argument, I will agree with your assessment and still ask… What about this is controversial?
Sources as to 40km being an “in cockpit ID range”? That image could be a forth the size and still be ID’s as a F-22.
Also, that second pic is from above. Are you saying that the Raf was 10s of km ABOVE the F-22?
Again, nothing about the pics are controversial. They simply show an IR image of a F-22 that is somewhere close (within 10km) and somewhere within the Raf’s forward sector.
At the max range of 40km (your number), the F-22 would be a small speck (or just a few pixels), not a large, well defined image. This is why I know the range is very close.
Also, since the OSF swivels, the pictures only show that the F-22 was somewhere in it’s forward sector, not necessarily in a nose-on gun shot. Again, not controversial.
Why would this be controversial? The range is clearly very close and we are talking visual, not radar here.
They are talking about average F-35C cost over the lifetime of the aircraft, not 2010 F-35C buys.