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  • in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #985704
    JEK
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    Wonderfull Herbert, simply wonderful.

    You’ll have a GGS Mk7 there, with the head pad missing – a nicely rounded piece of rubber unlike the rectangular pad on say a GGS Mk5 fitted to Hunters. The side mounts are for a camera recorder that slots over the studs at the top and is powered up by a jack socket held in a spring clamp on top of the stbd coaming panel’s ‘roof’.

    The (S)tatic pipework will run from the Machmeter down to the VSI, then across to the ASI and Altimeter (loving the Altimeter vibrator by the way – forgot all about those) and then away to a joint / manifold that can handle the panel being hinged down (may have been a short flexible section – can’t remember – 40 years!)

    The (P)itot pipework will hit the Machmeter and the ASI then away.

    Sad about the break-up, but hey ho.
    Cheers
    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #988140
    JEK
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    Built as FAW7s, upgraded to FAW9s – as far as I’m aware there was no such thing as a production Mk9. The ones quoted all show in-service or pre-delivery upgrade to FAW9, sorry should have included that note for clarity.
    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #988560
    JEK
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    Hi Herbert

    White? Well I can’t comment on that – it’s a new one on me.

    Have scanned through the most excellent Javelin history page at millionmonkeytheatre, looking for any FAW9s that didn’t return home from deployment to RAF Germany, assuming that’s where your seller got the original parts.

    With due credit to the researchers and compilers, these three come to light:

    XH768 preserved Dusseldorf, now wrongly coded XH707 at Cerbaiola in Italy (not this one then if wreckage evidenced).
    XH794 crash landed Wildenrath 1962
    XH911 startup fire Geilenkirchen 1965

    Could be others – been over the list three times now, and have to assume it’s complete.

    Best Regards
    John

    in reply to: Compass Systems Question #988927
    JEK
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    Was thinking exactly the same thing last night – didn’t get a hit with Lincoln, but I’m getting that ‘early Canberra’ feeling, and did find the instrument in a rear-cabin shot of a Shakleton MR3, which also contained some pretty big gauges like the other Hughes one too. Have a look on flickr – search ‘mr3 interior view’
    John

    in reply to: Compass Systems Question #989858
    JEK
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    Ooooh! Good shot by me then, that’s the fellow in the 1948 Flight Archive advert for sure.

    Now all we have to do is gaze at hundreds of late 40s or early 50s rear cabin / Nav station shots until we get one.

    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #989876
    JEK
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    Hi Herbert
    For sure – I think my mistake was to use the phrase ‘Tropical Fit’ when ‘Overseas Fit’ would have been better.
    Happy to be corrected of course, this is all a bit ‘Sherlock Holmes’ from a non-military person!
    John

    in reply to: Compass Systems Question #990576
    JEK
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    Hi again Ewan

    Dug around a bit further. The Flightglobal archive is a wonderful place – I’ve not learned how to insert hyperlinks yet sorry, but if you pop over there and do a search for gyrosyn, with date limits between 1946 and 1948 you should find what I did –

    The first was 1948 pictorial advert which made me ask about the automatic pilot. The second was part of an article from 1946 prior to the autopilot integration option, decribing the whole system.

    None of this IDs the aircraft that may have been fitted with them it but I hope it’s of some help. Certainly the Sperry Type B Master Indicator has the variation scale at 9-o’clock on the face, so maybe the general visual key to a Type A is the 12-o’clock position.

    Kind Regards
    John

    in reply to: Compass Systems Question #990707
    JEK
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    Hi Ewan

    The 6B/199x – very close to the stores reference number for the G4B Type A Detector Unit – 6B/1993, so it looks like a first-generation G4B Sperry Gyrosyn component c1948. How many knobs at the bottom of the Master Indicator? As well as the variation setting knob, a central one marked ‘auto pilot’ per chance?

    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #991426
    JEK
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    Sorry – brain-fade, the G4B Master might not fit from behind.
    JK

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #991430
    JEK
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    Hi Herbert

    My initial thoughts on the gaps are as follows:

    Nav’s Port panel – G4B Master Indicator should quite happily mount from behind the panel.

    Nav’s Stbd high-level panel – Big square hole under the Rebecca Mk8 indicator and Relative Bearing indicator – Marconi AD7092 ADF. This is what led me to suggest tropical fit since the GEE Mk3 indicator (CRT Type 24 or similar) would be removed – no good outside of GEE chains anyway, and replaced by all that good DME / ADF kit instead.

    Such a shame you’re missing the Pilot’s port panel, almost a full house.

    Don’t have a spare Accelerometer Aircraft Indicating Mk2 6A-3451 (Elliott) but have seen them a few times on eBay.

    All I’m short of instrument-wise now is the Armed Time Indicator Mk2, the twin EXH gauge, AYF Radio Altimeter indicators (ID-14 APN-1) and the Type 9024 Violet Picture/Homer indicator (main panel bottom left second in) with the ILS/VP changeover switch and sensitivity switch nearby.

    We’ll get there though, I just know it.

    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #991900
    JEK
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    WOW! Excellent stuff Herbert, a tropical-fit Mk9 I’d wager. I never thought I’d see an Armed Time Indicator again, or especially the 902 AI control panel on the Nav’s Sbd console and attendant pencil holders – your bird looks like she came straight from the flightline – certainly not via Shawbury! Collimator Mk3 still with the GGS, good job I’m off to the NIA in a mo to see Eddie Izzard – take my mid off it a bit!

    Thank you for your excellent photos – you just trebled the online Jav cockpit resource pool and re-activated my memory banks.

    All the best
    John

    in reply to: Gloster Javelin cockpit pictures and parts wanted! #992626
    JEK
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    Hi Herbert

    You’ve inspired me to make my first forum post, treat me gently folks!

    I’ve been emotionally attached to the Javelin for a long time, being a mere 25 miles from Hucclecote where they were born, but more importantly I spent all of my teens and early twenties ‘looking after’ FAW9 XH767 whilst she was based with us at the Worcester ATC Squadron as an instructional airframe 1967 -1986.

    Thankfully now in good hands after a bad patch between me leaving around 1982, a tree falling across her during a storm, and constant vandalism, all rather sad. See my one-photo album for a poor cockpit shot of her with general electrics restored and running (wish I’d started the inverters that time too, just for show). I can’t believe it’s the only shot I took but there you go, and yes it is hard to find references.

    I too have been recently collecting correct mark and right vintage instruments, systems and control panels with a view to a mock-up of some sort (once i retire!), gyros alive and valves warm, and must say I’ve done rather well from online sources etc.

    Was resigned to having to re-manufacture any panels when the time comes – how lucky you are to have what you have.

    You’ll need an ARC52 I’d say for the UHF control panel at the Port coaming – the PTR in your pic might not be right. What Mk do you have I wonder – is the main forward instrument panel in one piece and small fuel gauges at the bottom like TerryP’s final pic (Mk9) – or like your example photo, with the left side section separated? Pics would be great bonus.

    I’ve got quite a few references plus what’s in my head, so happy to help in any way I can (no parts surplus to requirements I’m afraid), best of luck with your quest – you’ve picked a right rare one there!

    Kindest Regards
    John

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