I wonder how true this is, they might be going to a football match for all I know.
With massive crowds as large as 170,000 strong, Polish patriots marched through their capital to demand an end to Islamic immigration — the “largest demonstration in Polish history.”
Poland isn’t just going to take the Islamization of Europe without a fight. They are sick and tired of letting their culture be stolen away from them…so this is what they did.
First check out this incredible photo:
poland-demo
poland-demo by philip elcock, on Flickr
Did you hear about this on CNN? You did not, because they completely censored it from American eyes, lest they be inspired to stand up against Obama’s sinister plans to import up to 200,000 so-called “Syrian refugees”, despite the FBI’s warning that the Feds can’t properly screen them.
Polish patriots?
More like polish nazi’s
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67618b9e-8893-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896.html#axzz3sloHAj7g
I wonder how true this is, they might be going to a football match for all I know.
With massive crowds as large as 170,000 strong, Polish patriots marched through their capital to demand an end to Islamic immigration — the “largest demonstration in Polish history.”
Poland isn’t just going to take the Islamization of Europe without a fight. They are sick and tired of letting their culture be stolen away from them…so this is what they did.
First check out this incredible photo:
poland-demo
poland-demo by philip elcock, on Flickr
Did you hear about this on CNN? You did not, because they completely censored it from American eyes, lest they be inspired to stand up against Obama’s sinister plans to import up to 200,000 so-called “Syrian refugees”, despite the FBI’s warning that the Feds can’t properly screen them.
Polish patriots?
More like polish nazi’s
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67618b9e-8893-11e5-90de-f44762bf9896.html#axzz3sloHAj7g
Its pretty certain that if you’re an offender you’d be streets better off being tried by a British court.
You are certainly more likely to be locked up, the US has a prison pop of just over 4.6 times the England and Wales per head of population. The figures for Scotland and NI are lower still
So, if we go down the route you seem to admire in the US, how are we to afford five times the number of prisoners?You always seem so keen for the UK to keep within it’s means.
Take money from the NHS? The Social Care Budget? Or Trident replacement perhaps?
I can anticipate your answer so give it a go and I’ll see if I’m right
Its pretty certain that if you’re an offender you’d be streets better off being tried by a British court.
You are certainly more likely to be locked up, the US has a prison pop of just over 4.6 times the England and Wales per head of population. The figures for Scotland and NI are lower still
So, if we go down the route you seem to admire in the US, how are we to afford five times the number of prisoners?You always seem so keen for the UK to keep within it’s means.
Take money from the NHS? The Social Care Budget? Or Trident replacement perhaps?
I can anticipate your answer so give it a go and I’ll see if I’m right
Since older people use the service more often as a general rule, perhaps national insurance and income tax should rise with a person’s age to make it fairer.
i’d much rather spend the Billions on the NHs than for a replacement for Trident. Even if it was only for 18months
Since older people use the service more often as a general rule, perhaps national insurance and income tax should rise with a person’s age to make it fairer.
i’d much rather spend the Billions on the NHs than for a replacement for Trident. Even if it was only for 18months
The obvious answer is to ban all religious practice of any kind and become an entirely secular state
Except for the Jedi, of course
The obvious answer is to ban all religious practice of any kind and become an entirely secular state
Except for the Jedi, of course
I put that one up as it is as skewed in attitude as the sites from the anti-firearm people.
I would take some of their stats with a grain of salt.
Glad to see that you aknowledge that pro-gun statistics can be and are heavily skewed
As far as the murder rates in the UK and US are concerned, how can you “skew”, “interpret” “analyse” them in any other way than CD has above. Are you suggesting that the murder by firearm statistics given in the government documents are a falsified?
I put that one up as it is as skewed in attitude as the sites from the anti-firearm people.
I would take some of their stats with a grain of salt.
Glad to see that you aknowledge that pro-gun statistics can be and are heavily skewed
As far as the murder rates in the UK and US are concerned, how can you “skew”, “interpret” “analyse” them in any other way than CD has above. Are you suggesting that the murder by firearm statistics given in the government documents are a falsified?
In the UK in 2012 there were 39 homicides by firearm, which was 6% of the homicide figure. 0.07 homicides by firearm per 100,000 of the population
In 2013 there were 29 homicides by firearm, 5% of the homicide figure
In the US in 2012 9146 homicides by firearm, which was 60% of the homicide figure. 2.97 homicides per100,000 of the population
Incidentally, if you read one of the sources cited in the justfacts document, http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110314171826/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0110.pdf
Regarding UK homicides and firearms, it is interesting that JF selected their years quite carefully, using 2007 to show a “15% increase” in homicides since the handgun ban in 1997, yet in 2008 the figure dropped back to the 1997 figure, and it has dropped further by 2012.
They also did not mention the homicide by firearm in the UK was such a low percentage of overall homicides compared to the US
So much for their “standards of credibility”
In the UK in 2012 there were 39 homicides by firearm, which was 6% of the homicide figure. 0.07 homicides by firearm per 100,000 of the population
In 2013 there were 29 homicides by firearm, 5% of the homicide figure
In the US in 2012 9146 homicides by firearm, which was 60% of the homicide figure. 2.97 homicides per100,000 of the population
Incidentally, if you read one of the sources cited in the justfacts document, http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110314171826/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs10/hosb0110.pdf
Regarding UK homicides and firearms, it is interesting that JF selected their years quite carefully, using 2007 to show a “15% increase” in homicides since the handgun ban in 1997, yet in 2008 the figure dropped back to the 1997 figure, and it has dropped further by 2012.
They also did not mention the homicide by firearm in the UK was such a low percentage of overall homicides compared to the US
So much for their “standards of credibility”
Rpr
You have taken a selective part of a much longer article.
The most relevant part of the whole article you put a link to :
Copyright October 1994 NRA Institute for Legistlative action.
So not only is it directly from the NRA, it is also 20 years out of date and is simple Right Wing Propaganda.
As you say, the facts speak for themselves.
Rpr
You have taken a selective part of a much longer article.
The most relevant part of the whole article you put a link to :
Copyright October 1994 NRA Institute for Legistlative action.
So not only is it directly from the NRA, it is also 20 years out of date and is simple Right Wing Propaganda.
As you say, the facts speak for themselves.
No despite the fact the lefties here often try to trot out that fallacy, there is data that shows it is a fallacy and I am too lazy to look it up.
Too lazy or unsure of your ground?
The findings of this study add to the body of research showing an association between guns in the home and risk of a violent death. Those persons with guns in the home were at significantly greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a suicide in the home relative to other causes of death.
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and suicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, across the United States, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of suicide, particularly firearm suicide.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/
CONCLUSION:
The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country, whereas the predictive power of the mental illness burden was of borderline significance in a multivariable model. Regardless of exact cause and effect, however, the current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955
Results Over the 4-year study period, there were 121 084 firearm fatalities. The average state-based firearm fatality rates varied from a high of 17.9 (Louisiana) to a low of 2.9 (Hawaii) per 100 000 individuals per year. Annual firearm legislative strength scores ranged from 0 (Utah) to 24 (Massachusetts) of 28 possible points. States in the highest quartile of legislative strength (scores of ≥9) had a lower overall firearm fatality rate than those in the lowest quartile (scores of ≤2) (absolute rate difference, 6.64 deaths/100 000/y; age-adjusted incident rate ratio [IRR], 0.58; 95% CI, 0.37-0.92). Compared with the quartile of states with the fewest laws, the quartile with the most laws had a lower firearm suicide rate (absolute rate difference, 6.25 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.63; 95% CI, 0.48-0.83) and a lower firearm homicide rate (absolute rate difference, 0.40 deaths/100 000/y; IRR, 0.60; 95% CI, 0.38-0.95).
Conclusions and Relevance A higher number of firearm laws in a state are associated with a lower rate of firearm fatalities in the state, overall and for suicides and homicides individually.
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleID=1661390