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Let`s start by parts and case by case.
Fist the AH-64 shot down, the fact is the AH-64 was shot down why we know the Ah-64 was shot down? well that was release by Western news outlets such as CNN or ABC news, ABC got the report from US military sources about the SA-7 kill of an AH-64
The Funny thing about those pictures is both are of two different helicopters and both are claimed as Accidents eh?
Here we have the list of AH-64 shot down in Iraq just in the Year 2003
October 30, 2003 – AH-64D Apache 86-9009 of 6-6th Cav crashed near Balad AAF, Iraq.
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October 23, 2003 – AH-64D Apache 86-8972 crashed in Iraq while approaching to land at Kirkuk. The APU clutch failed and started a fire. Aircraft landed safely but fuselage was almost completely burnt through.
August 14, 2003 – AH-64A Apache of 1-14th Avn crashed in Iraq.
June 12, 2003 – near Baghdad, AH-64D Apache of 101st Avn helicopter shot down; pilots rescued.
March 31, 2003 – AH-64D Apache 84-24201 of C Company/1-3rd Avn crashes on landing in Iraq, injuring the two pilots.
March 28, 2003 – Two AH-64D Apaches, 97-5032 (A Co) and 98-5068 (B Co) of 2-101st Avn crash in Iraq; one pilot injured.
March 27, 2003 – Apache helicopter shot down in southern Iraq.
March 24, 2003 – AH-64D Apache 85-25407 from C Company/1-227th Avn shot down; two pilots taken prisoner.
As you see both Pictures are supossedly accidents :rolleyes: but very well they can be shot down Helicopters too.
About the Tornado what bothers you? first an Air to Air missile can beat a Panavia Tornado as well as a SAM, the Russians sources claim something logic, The fact is the Panavia Tornado was shot down and the Pilot taken prisioner if you ask about the Gun camera showing the Panavia Torando shot down well where are the F-15`s gun camera images from GWI?
In few words the kill was made and the Russian and Iraqies claimed it was made by a MiG-23.
We know the Panavia was shot dwon and the pilot taken prisioner because that was aired by Western news outlets too.
Technically it is not impossible that could had happened sicne the Panavia Tornado can be shoot down by a AAM too
The F-117 case is a little bit more complex for one reason. the Russian military just in 2006 made an statement claiming a F-117 was Shot down by a SAM and detected by old Radars, and at least two other F-117 were hit.
Why? because they claimed they could detect the F-117, Possible? Yes it is possible
the Russian Air force commander in chief Vladimir Mikhaylov Just claimed in 2006 that with old radars the F-117 was shot down proving that the idea of Stealth just for the sake of stealth has proven wrong, in fact he claimed at least 2 more F-117 were damaged
Some claimed one of those damaged was rendered useless after the landing.
It is true the Russian military now claims one F-117 was hit by a SAM and not a MiG-29, nevertheless they claimed the Russian made Radars and weaponry detected and hit more aircraft than just two F-117s.
This was a ccording a report that apeared in Russian aviation news
Here is the linkRussian general comments about the detectability of the F-117 when was shot down theories about what shot down the F-117
Theories about what shot down the F-117
Flogger wrote:
“The Funny thing about those pictures is both are of two different helicopters and both are claimed as Accidents eh?”
No the funny thing is that you did no research on the image on the Russian webpage. They were quite content to pass it off as the actual AH-64. Flogger you fell into the trap of believing word for word and picture for picture on a Russian webpage as fact. All it would have taken is a simple search on the web to find the exact same image from 2003. If you had done this simple task, instead of simply relying on Russian webpages, then you wouldn’t be making a fool of yourself. Simple isn’t it?
Flogger,
You are showing stunning naivety. The naivety of a 13 year old perhaps? Aircraft crash in warzones to many reasons. You are showing absolutely stunning naivety when you question those accidents. Not everything is a result of enemy action. In Flogger fantasy land perhaps, but not in the real world. Helos for example in desert conditions can face ‘brown out’. It is all right for yourself to put “he he he’s” and convert it into your own fantasy theories, but it is a common fact that aircraft crash due to all manner of reasons in and out of warzones. Obviously you cannot understand this simple fact!
Flogger wrote:
“In few words the kill was made and the Russian and Iraqies claimed it was made by a MiG-23.”
In a few words no. The claims were made in Russian and Ukrainians magazines long after the events. If the claim had been made by the Iraqi’s then don’t you think that this pilot would have been a national hero?
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