Suflanker,

Are they really missile launches? Just because it appears to be rising vertical, or near vertical,does not mean that it is a ballistic launch. Basic understanding of perspective comes into play here. You do understand perspective?

Aircraft contrails have been fooling people for years and especially at sunset. The light conditions accentuate the contrail, wind conditions altitudes can dissipate the contrail and the result due to perspective is interpreted as a ballistic missile launch. That is why with edited footage, as shown on CBS, observers such as Doug Richardson (Jane’s) can be fooled.

It also initially fooled Patrick Minnis from NASA. Mr Minnis is a contrail expert in the Science Directorate at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va.

“When Patrick Minnis saw video of the “mystery” contrail Nov. 9 that looked like a missile launch near Catalina Island off Los Angeles, he figured it the way most people did.””I assumed it was a missile,” said Minnis….”

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/mystery-contrail.html

Going back to your claims of me posting ballistic launch videos as aircraft contrails.

Key West, Florida, New Years Eve 2008 video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVmjpDZLN0

Images from that event.

http://www.space.com/common/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22521

Read the following carefully.

http://keysnews.com/node/9385

On New Year’s Eve, some Florida Keys residents were awed by an unusual sight in the south to southwest skies off Key West. Recreational boaters, commercial fishermen and others snapped photographs they sent to the Navy, asking what the fast-moving object was that left a thick plume in its long wake, which glowed orange in the setting sun. Some speculated, and worried, that it was a rocket or missile, or military test. “To me, at first, it really looked like a missile,” said commercial fisherman Lee Starling. After seeing video of
the object on YouTube…

24 hours after the claimed ballistic missile launch on the 8th November, Californians were still reporting them! Go figure? Obviously to you it is the Chinese launching random ballistic missiles off the US coast!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNCCkd7Qsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi2L4QC_fk

The edited footage released by CBS is one of the key factors that confused many observers. One of the snippets was the slowed down part that appeared to show a rocket engine burning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAZLYn44FeQ

The news helo cameraman, Gil Leyvas, featured with the helo camera package.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVFWJv_Dplo

Airliners with their highly reflective paint schemes can and do produce glare and reflection. Gil Leyvas with his helo camera has zoomed into the contrail at extreme range. His optics have already foreshortened the persistent contrail. Now consider that light claimed to be a ‘rocket engine’ is acutally just reflection as the airliner continues its approach to the mainland?

Look at all the ‘rocket engines’ on this airliner! Now imagine that airliner being filmed at range and at the angle that Gil Leyvas filmed the event on 8th Nov?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_N5ZgYzj44

TJ

Yuri Dolgorukiy testing Bulava? 😉

Don’t start the conspiracy nuts off. They will be looking for the next appearance of the Bulava Wormhole!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2896B6NJC4

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/norway-wormhole-is-first-contact-claim-ufo-watchers/story-e6frf7lf-1225808892785

TJ

Hey you’re the one posting PS’ed photos from a site run by some guy who can barely fly a Cessna 172 if at all and swearing that the vapor trail is from an airplane as it was the gospel.:rolleyes:

I saw a missile launch. I have Jane’s Defence Group saying it was a missile launch and we have a NOTAM that states that the area is used by the Navy for missile testing. It was a missile.

:rolleyes: So where is the NOTAM for the US missile launch? Explain why the Russian military is keeping quiet on this un-announced ballistic launch? Such an event would be regarded as a rogue US launch.

Such a launch would result in a robust diplomatic response by Russia. Explain why Russia has also not embarrassed the US by announcing that they have detected this ‘unannounced’ ballistic launch?

Ballistic missile launches are governed by the issuing of NOTAMs. You simply can’t launch a ballistic missile without the safety of the areas and the airspace in place. At that time two scheduled airliners were noted so where is the NOTAM alerting the crew of both that MD-11 and Boeing 757.

In your fantasy world the sub launched ballstic missile launch has taken place. In reality no such launch has taken place. You are basing your fantasy on an edited film purely because you think that the trail is going up into the sky.

From December 2009. Do you think that this is a ballistic missile launch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88XaLNzysJ0

Watch the following video from 0:45. Explain what ballistic missile exhibits those characteristics and remains in view for that length of time?

The airliner has produced a persistent contrail and continues on its path towards the coast. It then continues its path producing a non-persistent contrail. What submarine launched ballistic missile produces those characteristics of a non-continuous trails? Please don’t insult peoples intelligence by saying stage separation. Watch the video closely from 0:45.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2UGugR_-gU

Based on your observations of ballistic missile launches then this must also be one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVmjpDZLN0

TJ

NEVER EVER DOUBT JANE’S DEFENCE GROUP.

http://current.com/news/92793184_navy-confirms-us-test-missile-seen-off-coast.htm

I just love how this forum has all these folks who THINK they are smarter than an organization that has been around for over 100 years and is without peer becuase they found some doctored/photo-shop pics on the internet put up by someone who really doesn’t have a clue.

I am glad it wasn’t a Chinese or Russian boomer.

LOL! It is a Notice to Mariners. (NOTAM). Have a look at the portal where you can download them all the way back to 1999!

Obviously something that web page creator didn’t do before he created the dramatic headline.

‘NAVY CONFIRMS: US TEST MISSILE SEEN OFF COAST’

http://msi.nga.mil/NGAPortal/MSI.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=msi_portal_page_61

http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/UNTM/201047/NtM_47-2010.pdf

http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/UNTM/201045/NtM_45-2010.pdf

http://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/UNTM/199929/Broadcast_Warn.pdf

Does it look familiar? From 1999. These are routine training areas for routine missile firings and gunnery exercises.

‘220/99(18). EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC. MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS TAKE PLACE
0001Z TO 2359Z DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR
WARFARE CENTER SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS
TAKE PLACE BETWEEN 1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY
MONDAY THRU FRIDAY. THE SEA RANGE IS BOUND AS FOLLOWS:
A. 34-02N 119-04W. M. THENCE 3 NAUTICAL MILES FROM
B. 33-52N 119-06W. AND PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE TO:
C. 33-29N 119-07W. N. 34-24N 120-30W.
D. 33-29N 118-37W. O. 34-08N 120-26W.
E. 33-20N 118-37W. P. 34-08N 119-40W.
F. 32-11N 120-16W. Q. 34-00N 119-40W.
G. 31-54N 121-35W. R. 34-06N 119-13W.
H. 35-09N 123-39W. S. 34-06N 119-11W.
I. 35-29N 123-00W. T. 34-07N 119-10W.
J. 35-04N 122-43W. U. 34-07N 119-07W.
K. 35-37N 121-32W. V. 34-04N 119-04W.
L. 34-59N 120-42W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREAS DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 KHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL’S
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE IF
THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN NINE
MILES OFFSHORE IN THE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA TO
THE SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 212/99.;

The most recent one.

453/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL’S
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 444/10.’

TJ

A missle was launched close to the US in international waters. It wasn’t heading torward the US mainland. Which brings up an interesting point. If it was an aircraft flying to the US then the contrail should have flown over the chopper and LA on its way to wherever it was going. The aircraft should have been picked up on ATC and its transponder would have reported its ID. We have none of that.

Russia/China see weakness in us so IMO they did this to say “Ha! We caught you off guard and the only reason why the West Coast isn’t under a mushroom cloud is because we didn’t feel like doing that….today.”

We only have the edited footage from the news camera crew. It is easy for the TV station to edit to what they want to show. They show a massive contrail that resembles a ballistic missile launch. Look it goes up in the air they cry so it can’t be an aircraft!

Watch the following video from 0:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2UGugR_-gU

The airliner is travelling towards the coast. From the flightaware data the likely candidate was at 37,000 feet. The persistent contrail dissipates as the airliner approaches the warmer air over the coast.

All we see is edited footage cut short. The TV station chose to highlight the dramatic plume with its apparent vertical motion. Anyone with basic understanding of perspective will see that the airliner contrail was always horizontal. If the full footage was presented you will more than likely see the airliner passing by the location of the helo. It makes great TV news to say that the plume and ‘missile’ went out away from the coast.

TJ

If Jane’s Defence Group says its a missle then I agree with them. They said it looked like the vapor trail coming from a solid rocket motor from an SLBM. I’ve lived in Central Florida for 35 years and have seen plenty of rocket and space shuttle launches. The vapor trail of the California missle reminded me of the vapor trail of the space shuttle’s solid rocket boosters. Hell I’ve seen space shuttle launches and contrails from high flying far away aircraft in the sky at the same time and there is a big difference in them.

The camera man said he filmed the trail for 10 minutes well it does take several minutes for an aircraft contrail and SRB smoke to dissipate long after the aircraft has passed or missle/rocket motor has burned out.

Btw our government isn’t going to admit that a Russian or Chinese boomer got that close and got caught with their pants down.

I think that Jane’s Defence Rockets and Missiles Editor will be changing his mind when he sees that the full footage wasn’t shown by the news agency?

Just because it appears to rise up vertically doesn’t mean that it a ballistic missile launch. Perspective, perspective, perspective.

http://contrailscience.com/

http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/

TJ

Some excellent work by the guys over at Above Top Secret.

The following images prove that it was no missile. The helo cameraman admitted that he filmed the trail for 10 minutes. No ballistic missile would be in view for that length of time. As the airliner approaches the coast the contrail dissapates and it carries on its easterly heading.

Here are some independent images.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=1

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=2

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=3

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=4

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7776159&photo=5

Images from a weather sat. The airliner contrail is shown and is blown south.

TJ