Maybe they could, it depends what the French were intending to do. Syria might not be willing to commit it’s most valuable assets to attempt to stop quite minor action.
If said minor action means taking out high value targets in Syria with Scalps missiles, I’m pretty sure the Syrians won’t just sit there singing songs and joining hands. :diablo:
And I’m quite sure that such a raid could be pulled off.
Except it’s election year in France and we’re now into the official campaign, with Sarkozy having (at last) stated that yes, in fact he will try to be reelected. So, Assad can sleep on both ears.
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!
/clears throat
Well, I can say I’m happy.
Once again…And again, Typhoon was designed from the beginning to be multi/swing-role albeit weighted more towards A/A as most other multi/swing-role fighters are. Theres no reasons why Typhoon can’t perform deep strike sorties, many people claim it wasn’t designed to or can’t do such roles without backing their claims up. Of course, it might not carry the most fuel when compared to others but what it does, or be able to carry isn’t what one would call lacking neither. With two CFTs and a single centre drop tank onboard it adds up to 4,000 litres external/conformal plus 5t internal then you’ve got 12 stations for weapons, six A/A and six plus for A/G: i.e. for the latter; two Storm Shadows and up to eight SDBs that have a range of approx 50+ miles and a hell of a lot more for the former. Add to that it’s A/A capabilities, Captor-E, HEA, DASS and other systems etc. With those in place, it’s hardly lacking.
Honest question here since the quoted point brought the issue to my mind : what are Typhoon’s capabilities wrt low terrain flight ? Does it have automatic terrain following modes (theoretically, I don’t see why it couldn’t but maybe it wasn’t a priority) ?
Rafale: The style and fanatical supporters
Typhoon: The substance
Funny, I’d say the reverse. :diablo:
or:
Rafale: W-AASM, IR-Mica, very low speed agility, elements of SPECTRA
Typhoon: Radar, PIRATE, Helmet, Engines, ASRAAM, HUD, MMI, Gun, acceleration, climb, supersonic manoeuvrability, Litening 3, ejection seat, elements of DASS
ASRAAM and MICA-IR seem redundant. Rafale’s getting a new generation digital HUD (with colors), the MMI is iffy (French pilots praise it, but I’m not familiar with Typhoon’s to conclude anything). Didn’t the Typhoon have problems with their ejector seat lately ? Not sure it would be a good trade-off.
Gun : specs on the 30M781 look better, not that the Mauser 27 looks bad per se. Just not convinced there’s a gain in switching.
Engines : if focus on high and fast performance is all, by all means EJ200. Otherwise, let’s see first how the EJ behaves down low, first.
Radar : what, switch the RBE2-AESA for the Captor-M ? j/k. But this brings us to the real question : what oeprational requirements should this hybrid fulfill ? If it’s just A2A and interception, just keep Typhoon as it is (with projected upgrades such as the AESA).
If it’s more… well, better keep the Rafale as it is…
And if they do announce a L1 in the contest soon enough, what will you do? I mean what have you got to lose if the bet doesn’t go your way? perhaps stop making posts that don’t have any substance but add noise to this thread?
Since we’re all awaiting the decision, there’s nothing else to do but idle speculation (unless someone has insider info and chooses to reveal everything here). Which includes such as “what if the Indians suddenly decided that the F-35 is awesome and they’d rather buy it”.
Besides, now that Duke Nukem Forever’s actually out, the internet can use a new running joke, even temporarily. At least it relieves that unbearable tension of waiting… and waiting… and waiting… and “have they decided yet ?”. Me, I’d rather the bloody thing was finished already. Whichever plane’s selected…
In two years time we’ll still be saying “two weeks, real soon !” I bet…
Dassult products are clearly overpriced. see 4 years negotiation with India for M2K upgrade. Failure to sell to Switzerland. (which is basically a neighbor and can share alot things).
Endless negotiation with UAE/Brazil. even very slow delivery to French state 8 to 10 aircraft per year. No engine/radar upgrade after entering 10 years in service.
without large sales and French government investment there is no chance new things developed from Dassult.
The economic crises are not current it just showed up now.
Yeah, I guess RBE-2 AA and M88-ECO are not upgrades. Do please learn to write and think, please.
For me, reading the OP, the joke is that Saddam Hussein’s Information Minister could probably have done the press conference instead of Rear Adm. Hussein.
These sightings only herald the imminent coming back of the Moon Nazis. 😀
I think the claim about Typhoon’s “superior bombing capabilities” shows how pants-over-head retarded this is. I mean, seriously ? Of all things… bombing is certainly THE area where Rafale enjoys a clear design and operational advantage…
Between good old JOUST, the recent “GSF” thing and this latest find, Eurofighter PR’s credibility is going down the drain.
Red star kill marks ? Is someone suffering from Cold War nostalgia ?
Well if you think hard about it you will realise that with France being the ONLY operator of the Rafale they would be hard pressed to maintain Air Ops over Libya, Afghanistan and participate in NATO exercises. Typhoon on the other hand is used by a number of airforces and as the German Air Force is not involved in the NATO no-fly operation over Libya they therfore can join in the exercises and dominate
Well, duh, never thought of it – there were no Rafales to spare for the TLP ! Thanks for pointing the obvious to me :p
Incidentally, the British may not have had any spare Typhoons around either (between Libya and the other commitments)..
Next to the Eurofighter jets were MiG-29s, F-16s, Mirage 2000s, F-4s, Hawks, Alpha-Jets, various helicopter types, transport planes, special units as well as one frigate from the Spanish Navy participating.
Quoted from the linked press release by Eurofighter.com.
So it seems the Typhoon dominated… Mig 29s, F-16s, M2Ks, F-4s and Hawk/Alpha Jet trainers.
A tremendous achievement ! :diablo:
I’ll preemptively do the obvious trollish comment :
“The Typhoons took the opportunity to shine against older aircraft during an exercise while the Rafales were busy fighting a real war” :p
What this also shows is that the French are damn pricey, and very stubborn about it.
This isn’t after all the first time we’re hearing that a deal with Dassault is in danger of being scuttled based mainly on price. There is the costly Greek Mirage-2000 upgrade that Aspis can write paragraphs upon paragraphs upon and then there is the Indian Mirage-2000 upgrade that has been “in price negotiations” for ages. They’ve mucked up Morocco after nearly having the deal finalised and in Brazil too they were the most expensive bidder.
This really doesn’t bode well for the MRCA competition either- if Dassault is always this inflexible when it comes to pricing then we could see MRCA negotiations going on for ages if Dassault ends up being L1 in that tender.
Suddenly, it seems like Saab isn’t quite that silly when they entertain hopes of re-entering the MRCA contest if the Rafale or Typhoon prices don’t work out.
One might ask what is the point of selling if you’re losing money eventually ? The GIAT – UAE Leclerc sale must be the example not to follow for French armament companies – especially Dassault which is a private business (and making most of its activity on business jets). I’m sure they’d rather not sell if it’s not profitable enough in their eyes.
Rafale is a good enough performer, what UAE feels is it is a wee bit expensive for the capabilities it offers *digs a hole and buries his head in it*
You know we can still beat the rest of your body with sticks and stones, right ? :p
At least the price of the Rafale should be stable and certain… and its capabilities are proven, unlike certain other planes that promise the moon for a packet of peanuts and kick ass in powerpoint.