Stingray
Its interesting the both the Australian and Japanese submarines seem to be simular in a lot of ways and favour traditional technologies over AIP etc.

I’ve been wondering about this myself. Perhaps they are watching and waiting for a few years to check for reliability issues? I’m not sure. Perhaps they will incorporate it via a mid life update.

I can pull any info from any Government website or document worldwide, and they will give a glowing purring report, particularly if they paid for or commissioned the project.

Note that I am not disputing that the Collins is a fine sub. I’m attacking your complete slagging off of an industry (Japan) that has a far better and bigger track record than yours. I’m not sure why you need to denigrate others to build yourself up, particularly as the Japanese boats are indigenous, whilst yours are designed by Sweden!! You then claim that the Japanese subs use US made sub-systems!!

building all the boats in Australia and almost all from scratch.

Read the words. Building, not designing. Why didn’t you also put the ‘almost’ in bold?

Notice the words “from scratch”

Notice the words ‘building’ and ‘almost’

Australia made the collins.

Pakistan built the Agosta…

Im sure the Chinese fleet is also larger than the Australian fleet.

errrr….ok?

The origional collins sub was more than 70% built in Australia and after the first major refit thats well over 85% australian content.

But thats not the point.

No…actually you have just refuted your point. :rolleyes:

The point is the Collins is most likely the best and most capable diesel submarine in the water for most of the time or for most of the criteria you would select.

I challenge you to prove its not. So far your argument why its not has been…

Oh wait, you don’t have one.

I challenge you to prove it is. :dev2: Nowhere did I talk about it’s capabilities. Read my posts carefully. Tell me a little about it’s electronics so that we may make a meaningful comparison with say, German and Japanese subs? My argument with you is that you belittle the Japanese navy and the designers of the Collins to prove……what exactly? That Australia are the most advanced Diesel Sub designers on the planet?

Unicorn
Sorry guys, it appears we have someone who is being over-eager and doesn’t really have a clue about the RAN, the Collin’s class or operation capabilities.

Ah well, enthusiasm is to be admired, but it should be leavened with knowledge.

UNicorn

Hi Uni

Not directed at you. I know the RAN is a fine service. I also admire enthusiasm, and I wholly agree with your sentiments. 😉

[PHP]Yes they were based off a swedish design.
Mean while the Japanese seem to create indigionous designs from heavily licenced american designs.
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Are you stupid or something?

[PHP]Yes they were based off a swedish design.

But they are Australian. The first in class was ment to use a swedish bow, but it arrived with too many faults so the SubMarine corp knocked up their own.
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What…in half an hour? Those clever clever aussie dock workers..Go Aussie! We are the strongest. It is a Swedish designed sub. If the Swedes couldn’t even design a proper bow, what must the rest of the sub be like. Why didn’t your dock workers just “knock up” their own design in the beginning? How old are you? :rolleyes:

Does the Cheetah also have the 2032?

joe_h

You’re just some schmuck on a message board who just thinks he’s knowledgeable. Your opinion doesn’t count for sh*t!

France is a useless, pathetic country

I have no desire to be friends with you

Wow…second post. Do you have soft mud between your toes? You sound like someone who really tries to understand what a debate is and never resorts to childish cliches and mudslinging. An intellectual midget.

Well, get used to it.

you don’t know much at all about the U.S., or anything else for that matter.

As for your other ridiculous arguments, they’ve already been effectively countered. So I won’t bother

you Europeans (especially French, Germans, and Spaniards) seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to America, at least everyone but Great Britain, or so it seems. Why you always want to backstab us or try to bring us down is beyond me.

Yes, please don’t bother. You have not contributed to this forum before. Yet you think it is OK to belittle Flex who has contributed so much over the years. Your first contribution consisted of insults and belittlements to a respected member. Not everybody agrees with Flex, but it is a FORUM. Please leave the vast generalisations and pathetic childish insults out of it and maybe you will be taken seriously. :diablo: Great Britain is no longer Great. I bemoan that fact as I suppose others do. Following the US like a little poodle is maybe good for business, but still a little demeaning. However, it is inevitable that empires come and go. So will yours.
Were you a cheeleader at school? Gimme a U, gimme an S, gimme an….. :dev2: :diablo: Where is F18Hamburger when you need him..?

yes, it is because we are jealous of your freedom. Please save us, the rest of the world, from ourselves.. 😀

Yeah, your rapier-like wit devestated me. :rolleyes:

Great, You have finally seen the light and agree with Wilhelm the Omnipotent 😎

Sure, but cutting GPS off would hardly put people back into the stone age. There are alternatives.