Absolutely. I see nothing wrong with discussing anything in History. I do not believe in sacred cows….. If anything , he’ll have to prove it didn’t happen. I might not agree with him but Freedom of speech and all that…
Thanks orko..26kts submerged…wonder if that makes it the fastest SSK.:D
Make that 6900nm submerged maiden voyage and a crew of 26, with 6 spare berths. Does anyone have any info on this sub? Info is a bit scarce on the net.
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but last night I was perusing my 1986/87 edition of Janes and came across the TR-1700, a German design for Argentina.
I recall reading that it covered it’s maiden voyage with over 6000nm submerged at over 10kts with less than 2 hours snorkeling a day. Pretty impressive stuff in the early 80’s I think you will agree. A design speed of 25knts submerged and a crew of under 30 for a 2300ton boat.
What is the family lineage of this design? Why did it not sell better? Did Argentina buy the design outright from the Germans? Apart from the 2 German built examples in service in Argentina, I do know that the intention was to build 3 or 4 more in Argentina, but althought 3 were started they were never completed due to financial difficulties. I have searched the net but there seems to be little on this class out there..anybody know any more?
http://www.nwsa.ukf.net/kayak/news/news.htm
It’s off Cape Town. Good article above.
http://www.nwsa.ukf.net/kayak/news/news.htm
It’s off Cape Town. Good article above.
Does anyone have any pictures of these rear pylons in use?
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41. A team of scholars at Texas A&M University is currently studying the surviving records of the German synthetic fuel processes with a view toward determining which aspects can be utilized for American purposes.Those pesky Germans again
Ermmmmmm…. all they have to do is speak to SASOL. They have taken the original process MUCH further in the last 50 years. They supplied a very high portion of South Africa’s fuel needs during sanctions, including aviation fuel. There was a topic about this in these forums a few months ago.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=62919&highlight=sasol
How much airframe life does the B-52 still have?
Looking at the hills behind, is that off Muizenberg or Kommetjie in Cape Town?
Looking at the hills behind, is that off Muizenberg or Kommetjie in Cape Town?
Actually, the more I look…. the more differences I see. What a capable design from Mr Bloch and a credit to Dassault.
BME330, do you still have that pic of the rocket/fuel tank and bombs/bomb shackles?
Below is a picture of the Cheetah C with tanks with bomb shackles beneath. I have better pics than that but at home, and I’m at work (apparentely 😉 )
Also, a picture of the Mirage 111CZ with it’s last paint scheme in South African service just before retirement. The accompanying Cheetah C picture mahes for an interesting comparison and shows just how much has been changed. Different wing, canopy etc..longer fuselage…heavier airframe with proper multirole capability…. but still recognisable!!
PHII, the rocket/fuel tank holds 250 litres of fuel. I don’t know of a rocket/fuel tank with bomb shackles!
Not to worry…found this….an Umkhonto SAM being fired from a finnish vessel.
Nice pic of the Cheetah C carrying the R- Darter Googeler!! I notice that it is being carried on the external wing pylon. In line with what PhantomII was asking, obviously the internal pylon is stronger than the external… so weight is not a factor. Are the internal pylons wired for various guided missiles/munitions? Could a Cheetah C technically carry 4 R-Darters beneath the wings, tank under the fuselage? Maybe a A-darters (too long?) under the intake pylons? A bit draggy perhaps…..
An interesting comparison with the Cheetah C underneath shot in post 18 with the Kfir C10 in post 19. There appear to be some differences under the noses, particularly regarding electronic fit. Also, the space formerley occupied by the Mirage 111 rocket/fuel pack is considerably different, the Cheetah C’s being much larger. I know the Cheetah C has a longer forward fuselage with a plug behind the cockpit as compared to the C10. Is the rear fuselage longer as well, courtesy of the Atar 9K50 vs J-79? I wonder what they use the extra space for in the Cheetah…extra avionics or fuel? The AAR probe installation appears neater on the Cheetah…is this a function of the longer forward fuselage? I do know the Cheetah C is almost 17 meters long, and has a stronger undercarriage fitted..