An interesting alternative noted here
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm11.showMessage?topicID=877.topic&index=23
and here
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm11.showMessage?topicID=877.topic&index=28
As a side note, does anyone know what the difference between a 3rd Generation Ro-Ro and a 4th Generation Ro-Ro (as the Tamaris is) is?
Yes, Ikara’s shape has always made me discount the idea of a combined launcher but the idea has popped up here.
http://p216.ezboard.com/fwarships1discussionboardsfrm3.showMessage?topicID=5849.topic&index=3
Now if Ikara had been more ASROC in design…..
Got this from SecretProjects
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1348.0.html
If Shorts was not a government owned company, would it have still got the preferential treatment?
Better bomb load as well.
From Bill Gunston’s ‘The development of jet and turbine aero engines’…
In Rolls Royce case while Griffiths rightly kept thinking of BPR around 20, a study was made to find optimum BPR for an engine in an external pod and, because of incorrect assumptions of nacelle drag, came up with the answer that it should not exceed 1.0.’
Anyone know when this study was done?
Would the RB211 have attracted the Lockheed interest if the design planned to use titanium blades from the start rather than Hyfil?
If the Handley Page HP111C had been ordered as originally planned, would the RAF order have given a civilian version a chance?
Part of the above article below
Probably the one UK airliner that could have been a world-beater was the BAC One-Eleven. First to market ahead of its US rivals, the 737 and DC-9, this Rolls-Royce Spey-powered 80- to 100-seater was the spiritual successor to the Viscount, achieving significant export success from the start, including major sales in the USA. But a lack of long-term development – hindered by the absence of a suitable engine for growth – meant the One-Eleven is remembered more for the noise it generated than a huge production run.
The BAC twinjet was also a victim of politics. When the newly created BAe opened for business in 1977 (following the merger of BAC with HSA), the government was looking for a flagship civil programme to herald the new era. Rather than warm up the One-Eleven, which was still in production at Hurn near Bournemouth, it was decided to resurrect an all-new regional airliner design that had been launched in the early 1970s, but had been cancelled due to lack of demand. The aircraft was the HS146 (redesignated the BAe 146), and thus was created that paradox of modern civil aviation – a regional jet with four engines.
Would the BAC1-11 be capable of being updated into a competitive aircraft if it had been redeveloped rather than developing the HS146?
If so, what aircraft would it be competing against?
By pure coincidence, I have just drawn that book out of my local library.
The Trident was nobbled by being tailored far too close to BEA’s rather limited requirements and thus proving too narrowly specified to suit other customers. Indeed, by the time it entered service, it didn’t really suit BEA’s requirements either.
The same could be said for the Vickers VC-10.
That’s what the wikipedia article says which suggests that wikipedia is actually correct….it also says the original DH121 spec was about the same size as the later Boeing 727….
I wonder if the Wikepedia BAC1-11 article has some truth in it??
🙂
Richard Payne, Stuck on the Drawing Board, Tempus,2004. All there.
Books on order from Amazon, last one in stock apparently…
Does anyone have information on the designs that led to the HS Trident – the Bristol 200, Avro 740, Vickers VC11 and De Havilland DH121 (any more??).
During the Falkland’s War the RAF had no option but to lease back the aircraft to support out troops. In the end it would have been cheaper for the RAF to have retained the aircraft from 1976 (when the aircraft were retired) until will past the Falkland’s War. The British Government are like that. They sold all the UK forces family accommodation (to pay for tory tax cuts), then leased them back from the buyer at a huge expense to the tax payer. It would have been cheaper for the government to have secure a loan to pay for tax cuts than sell the family silver.
prudent gordon brown’s people have been putting a price on everything recently, looks like another sell off is on the cards.
Going off toppic but every time I see a picture of gordon ‘Igor’ brown I cant help but get this image of him answering doors in some Transylvannian castle…….
some interesting piccies at the SecretProjetcs site
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1290.0.html