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  • in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2174426
    Marcellogo
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    Let’s stick with the military aspect of it.

    Iran made Shaed-129 was downed by an Israeli attack helicopter after having allegedly entered in their air space (but over occupied Golan) for about a minute and half (Gasp!).
    After this IAF launched a series of air strikes to T4 airbase, hundreds of Kms inside Syria, trying to destroy a command center of such UAVs (no one nearer?) so quite an hasty move IMHO.
    For what it seems they have not moved their planes to bomb it directly but they have used instead stand off weapons.
    Syria claims to have intercepted the majority of them but surely they have fired back a S-200 from the same base and nailed the F-16 still over Syrian airspace.
    Plane was however able to get back to Golan hills where it crashed (in a zone inhabited by Arabs and Druze).
    While the first claim was not verifiable easily, the fact that IAF had to repeat the strike in the same zone seems to point on the fact the results were not the ones they expected for.
    So, surely a F-16 down it is not a great game changer but the fact that Syrian Air defence were able to get the archer and not just the arrows seem me a significant change in itself.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2175096
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    @ Berkut & @Nicolas10

    Reasonable stats on PAK-DA – but what the hell does it need 15 000km range for? B-2 and Tu-160 are both about 11-12 000. Although Tu-160 will be about 14000km with the upgraded engines. Still.

    Let’s consider it from another point of view: it is a flying wing, so it just cannot go supersonic and its engines are more than sufficient for reaching such velocity anyway also at maximum load, so the more fuel/payload they can put into the frame, the better.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2185562
    Marcellogo
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    The Mig-35 that the VKS are acquiring are for the acceptance trials, even if design is completed they still need to pass them before a construction contract would be legally signed.

    Egypt’s ones are in export standard so they lack components used exclusively for russian service, so let’s consider them baseline export Mig-35 with another name.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2186024
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    @totoro

    The ones they were discussing are he remaining Su-27P i.e. the Soviet era Flankers for PVO with not A2G capabilities but with inboard datalink to operate in AD role.

    Su-27SM are much more recent, contract were signed in 2004 so they have the same age of early F-22 while the newly built SM3 came after the last Raptor was made, so no hurry at all for their substitution.
    Plane contracted under the 2011-2020 acquisition period would be enough for replace all others Su-27, so for the new 2018-2027 acquisition program only a small numbers of soviet era fighters are under discussion, those 36 su-27P and about fifty Mig-29C.
    Only sure things are however the Mig-35 for the ones in Erevan and the upgrading of those six.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2186476
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    @totoro

    How many modernized SMs will that be altogether by then? How large was that last batch contracted recently?

    For what I have read (in the Russiadefence forum) it was about the question of the 36-42 Su27P actually still operative.
    There was a debate if it would be better to update them all or to wait for substitution.
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    Problem arose because the initial option i.e. substitute them with the first series of Su-57 was skipped due the decision to wait for the definitive one with Objekt 30.

    Su-35S lines are actually full because of the China’s “I want it, I want it NOW!” order, so there is actually a production deficit.

    On the other hand to modernize the whole lot just to get them replaced by completely new ones after a few years goes against the whole M.O. of the Russian acquisition processes.
    It seems also that those Sukhois, being used in the PVO have seen a more intensive use than the older Su-27S and have no much life left.

    So the final decision was to update just those six you cited and combine them with already modified ones actually not attached to a regular unit to form a new squadron ASAP while the others would wait for substitution.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2192988
    Marcellogo
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    Thank Dr. Snuffelburg.
    So something more apt to a weapon than to a plane.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2193190
    Marcellogo
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    It seems me that some of the intervention in this discussion ( notably the ones coming from the other side of Atlantic) suffer of a sort of mental block or almost doesn’t even read wht is written.
    They seems to be always stuck to always the same point i.e. the overall precision of the weapon used, a point that was never raised up in the first place by others and cannot just get that the critics expressed are about STRATEGY ( they have approached air campaign against ISIS as it were against a conventional enemy luke Saddam Hussen + a sprinkle of drone strike like their were Osama Bin Laden hiding in a cave in Afghanistan) and TACTIC (they as a consequence use their tactical fighters in long range missions over fixed, predetermined targets instead to have them used as a support to ongoing land operations or to autonomously searching their own targets).

    Given that they seems not able to shrug them off of this quasi-pavlovian mental habit, I call myself off giving that I have said all what I need to say and I thing that all those that have instead put their own mind on discussion have correctly understood the point I have tried to made.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2193471
    Marcellogo
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    Spudman, I repeat I’m not interested in a game of Darts, even if coalition PGM would gave 100% precision the overall result would be the same,.

    Problem of actual Syrian theatre it is not hitting a target, it’s forcing the enemy to become a target instead of staying hidden and dispersed.
    That is the reason why before having a reliable partner on ground, the most of international coalition armada was forced to remain idle and spend most of their efforts in recon mission, both by drone than with conventional planes, achieving usually very few occasions for a strike or being forced to abort mission as soon as situation changed.

    And again another time, repeat with me: even RuAF use guided weapons, even RuAF use guided weapons, even RuAF use…

    …it but doesn’t like sat guided ones and neither SALH is on top of the list.

    P.S. The numbers made by the same chief of Gefest are 5-6 meters in ideal conditions and a radius of twenty (Maximum, not CEP) as an average registered during the first two years of russian intervention. Exactly the ones I have reported earlier on #7150 in discorsive form.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2193748
    Marcellogo
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    For detonation rocket engine it is russian for detonation pulsejet?

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2194035
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    @ Lesha

    Yes , the A-10 are VERY fine planes for CAS , built and used specifically for the mission.
    Look the problem there is not the technical capability of perform this or another kind of mission, it lied instead in the doctrine and in the operational lines along which the International coalition has conducted the air campaign until they were recalled into service (from ANG units…) and employed in their own specific mission.

    @ JSR
    Same for Su-25 as for the A-10 there, also if the whole of the Frontal Aviation is instead absolutely geared toward direct interaction with ground operations, no one of their planes, even if much more technologically advanced, can still beat the Grach in its own Home turf.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2194223
    Marcellogo
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    As promised , i’m back and now it’s time of a reply to SpudmanWP about precision:

    Spud, you have to help me on there, I’have checked my own post #7132 two times but I have not found anywhere the point where I say that the bombs dropped with the aid of a targeting system are MORE PRECISE of a guided one. So if you can point it for me, I’ll be grateful.

    What I have said instead is:

    Given that their aiming devices give them now enough precision to engage a target with a single bomb instead of a whole rack, better for them to carry more fuel possible and stay on operation zone more time than to have more bombs for with they have no use and above all leaving troops without air cover.

    Let’s repeat the logic process: nowadays-targeting devices-engage target-single bomb versus Cold War era-no targeting device -a rack of six. I see no guided bomb mention at all there…

    Now, IMHO of course, the tactical discriminant there is exactly in the possibility given by both the operational procedures to allow the engagement of a military objective with a limited amount of payload dropped not the possibility of winning a Darts-like contest to ascertain who will place their own closer to the bull’s eye.
    In other words and to reply to FBW also: given that my own inboard system allow me to place, nine cases over ten, a bomb with a lethality radius of more than thirty meters (i.e. the one of an OFAB 250/270 not of some MOAB like monstruosity) in a circle of less than twenty why have i to spent almost 20K (or 40K in case of a SDB) to place fins, control devices, etc, etc on ANY weapon I have?

    And repeat with me now: Also RuAF use guided weapons, also RuAF use guided weapons, also Ruaf use…

    ..it when they really need a level of precision superior of the one afforded by the said targeting devices but it tipically uses laser or optical guiding systems because they are even more precise than the sat guided one.

    And to close on an happier note: Tigers have taken Abu Duhur airbase!!!!!!:applause::applause::applause:

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2194306
    Marcellogo
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    It seems that my own post has started up a whole series of discussions, some of what have little to do with it or just doesn’t get what I tried to say.

    So let’s begin with Sintra that ask me:

    B-17´s? Pre designated locations while doing CAS? Really?

    Sintra, the international coalition ha spent years in not doing CAS at all, they had not ground forces to relate with in Syria until recently when they decided to extend their support to the PYD-PKK-SDF and in order to made it they have used A-10 and F-15E starting from Incirklik andJordan.
    Before of that they made just an handful of mission a day, starting from the Gulf or from their bases in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or UAE in order to destroy the scarce (and often ludicrous: cranes, caterpillars road checkpoints) that their reconnoissance devices have found and pre-designated as target for them, a day or two in advance.
    Seriously, it was calculated that the time spent to fulfill all the procedure for this kind of action was an average of three days and the numbers of the missions i.e. the planes used ( drones and air tankers included) was superior to the number of ordnance dropped).
    The only occasions they had to do a direct support mission to troops on the ground was the battle of Kobane where they used… B-1B , because it was the only one planes they have that can actually cover the distance between said bases and the North of Syria and stay up there loitering for enough time until the rats would decide or are forced to get out of their holes.
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    So, always with Sintra: In what particular way is this diferent to any combat CAS mission performed by the USAF, or the RAF, or the Adla?
    There´s a very good reason why ROVER is such a massive presence across the western air armada in the Middle East.

    Not so great differences in CAS missions. Just that RuAF does it as their typical mission while until recently the huge western armata was doing other.
    And the numbers, still today the average number of daily mission/strikes/weapon dropped/enemy hit of the small russian contingent in Syria is still superior to the one of the armata (that also because the loyalist forces are vastly more numerous and active than kurdish proxies have ever been).

    About the question of precision and the effectiveness of the various weapon and aiming devices used in the conflict…tomorrow please.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2194626
    Marcellogo
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    Levsha, this kind of loading is the one that have earned them the “Thud” nickname…

    Drag of such kind of weapons disposition (a.k.a. the Christmas tree) is absolutely massive.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2194752
    Marcellogo
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    So i guess Irbis would be the last PESA/Hybrid radar for Russia.

    As soon GaN modules would be available, solving the overheating limitations of current GaAn ones , yes.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2194755
    Marcellogo
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    Actually they seems to have the reverse problem a they lack small size guided weaponss to be used in close proximity of friend forces or for avoid case of overkill (Iran-made drones have them instead).
    They have made a big use of OFAB 250/270, only in rare cases however you would see the Cold War era 6 bombs racks.
    That’s because they operate in an opposite way to the JDAM inflation spoiled coalition.
    While they start(ed) from faraway bases, pass all over Iraq and attack pre-designated locations as their fighters were B-17 in disguise, Russians start from close locations (for Palmyra Deir-el-Zour operations they relocated choppers and relatively short legged Su-25 in Homs governatorate airbases) and usually keep their planes over SAA operation zones ready to answer to aid calls by ground troops or to engage “on the run” targets discovered in the meanwhile by their (or their allies) UAV/SF.
    Given that their aiming devices give them now enough precision to engage a target with a single bomb instead of a whole rack, better for them to carry more fuel possible and stay on operation zone more time than to have more bombs for with they have no use and above all leaving troops without air cover.

    Even in this way there are several footages of Su-24 and Flankers landing back with an odd bomb still on their pylons, meaning it was an half empty day and they doesn’t had need to use all their weaponry.

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