I knew straight away that that would be me.:D However, I think the meaning was clear which, at the end of the day, is the only thing that really matters. So no complication there really. We have discussed this on here many, many times in relation to spelling and grammer (yes I know but I went to a technical school:apologetic:) and the dreaded greengrocer’s’ (just to be safe) apostrophe. The “end of the day” is relevant as I find that as it gets late I start to struggle with even the simplest of words and have to look them up. Of course, we all secretly know what this could be the onset of but like the big C nobody wants to mention it.
Anyway, thanks for drawing my attention to my mistake so that I can correct it and put an end to my embarrassment.
So that this stays on topic, hangar, Duxford, Avro, Lancaster are mentioned here otherwise the “off topic” police will be along as well.:dev2:
Please note. No use of unnecessary quote.:angel:
Er “The New Hangar” but might get confused with Airspace, “Building 617” if free, “Building PA474”, “BOB the Re-Builder”, “Duxford Services”.
I understood you perfectly Sideslip, hangar permanent, PA474 not permanent, simples.
A rush (rash) of news as Stone Hill Park release their latest and, alleged, final “masterplan” which is illustrative.
Meanwhile back at the site a sit in protest has started:D Rumour has it that the metal re-cycling business is resuming on the site.:D
Stone Hill Park ready to submit planning application with comment by local MP
“Early responses to the Thanet Draft Local Plan are now on the Thanet council website. In responses to Manston of the 504 residents who commented, 415 (82%) were for reopening the airport and 89 (18%) against.”
A little bit more news
I have studied the proposals and to say “much needed homes and jobs” is misleading. The destruction of one machine is proposed to create an “open space” called “Seaplane Square”. This site ring fenced as of historical interest and there never has been any proposal to build houses on it. Also the land to the north west currently used by the museum is being shaved off as it lies out of the designated “historical area” so they are literally grabbing every square inch they can. Better to move one machine here or make the machine a feature of Seaplane Square as a cafe, display hall, meeting area etc. It just requires a little bit of imagination. There was a project to move it to Ramsgate but I do not know why that did not go ahead. Whether they still have the money now is difficult to say.
Tomorrow, Saturday the 16th April, it will be the 75th anniversary of the death of two Polish pilots, flying Spitfires in 1941 one, Pilot Officer Boguslaw Mierzwa of 303, ‘Kościuszko’ Polish Squadron RAF Northolt , crashed near the site and the other, Pilot Officer Mieczyslaw Waskiewicz, in the sea off of the point neither pilot or plane has been found. Both were returning from a mission to escort six Blenheims sent to bomb a fighter airfield in France.
Polish workers at the power station became aware of the problems with the memorial, previously erected by Colin Clayton, and, with support from EDF, have today erected a new memorial in time for the anniversary.
I am not sure if an attempt to list it had been made before it was pulled down, as I say I doubt that it would have saved it anyway.
I am sure you are right about the process. There was a public inquiry regarding the Ordsall Chord and Network Rail presented an exhaustive report on a number of alternative routes, many other parties also presented arguments. Like any court the decision is based on the evidence put forward. Unfortunately the process does not, IMHO, put enough “value” on historical interest. I feel that, in general, insufficient “value” is placed on engineering artifacts.
Reynard’s Garage is not listed but when the tick box system is used historic significance of even Grade 1 buildings cannot tick enough when set against other considerations.
The Ordsall Chord is another example where historic consideration of Grade 1 listed structures was swamped by financial benefit and it is proposed to destroy some listed structures.
As ever it seems to be one rule for us and another for them. If you own a listed building the council will exercise tight control to preserve the building. When it come to them they do what they like.
Yes I agree I could have put it better!!
The Orsdall Chord is an example where historic consideration of even a Grade 1……
It was a reference to the stated (in one of the articles) decision making process which took place regarding the garage. There is standard set of evaluations to be made regarding a project. These in part consist of public need, visual amenity, historical interest, cost ete etc each section is graded by levels. The scores are then added up and a decision made based on the scoring. (this is a very crude explanation and may not be exactly technically right but is the basic principle.) The controversial Ordsall Chord is a very good example where it has been decided that it is acceptable to pull down Grade 1 listed structures and pass an ultra modern bridge over the Grade 1 listed Stevenson’s bridge at the end of the first public railway in the world and which gives immediate access to the only existing first terminal station in the world. There is an alternative but it is more expensive and would cut across a proposed multi million pound development. The interesting thing is they dug out and restored a canal that bisected this large plot of derelict land. The site has been proposed for various projects all of which failed. When Railtrack first produced reports on routes for the Ordsall Chord they DID NOT properly consider this land as at that time HS2 were showing an interest in it. This is now the basis for a court case on the basis that they did not return to fully consider this option before the land was bought by the developer. Railtrack could have bought the land then and the compensation issues with the developer, that now supposedly price this option out, would not have existed.
Basically the same process was carried out with the garage but there is little chance that a “building of interest” is ever going to compete on points with a multi million pound development and all the sugar coating that may, or may not, allegedly, go on in such matters generically. I mean who has ever heard of Airspeed, Nevil Norway (or even Shute for that matter) or Sir Alan.
Recent quotes from people in control leave us in no doubt that they are making informed decisions!
York Council Leader said “The concept is great. But that’s not the right location.” Er I would have said it was in exactly the right location, the original location, just inconvenient for the money makers.
Sally MacDonald, new director of MOSI, basically brought in to take the £5M bribe from Network Rail to drop the museums previous objection to the route.
“…..but most of the planes (many Avros) are on loan from the RAF museum and aren’t really part of our (Manchester’s) story.”
How right, what in the world has Manchester got to do with aircraft or the Shackleton.
“This is important,” says Macdonald. “We’ve done some research and found that 10% of guests are families with children under five years and we have almost nothing for them. That has to change.”
I wonder what the other 90% come to see.
“We’re talking with Network Rail about using a patch of scrubland at the west of the site as a landscaped area and this will, with the changes in the 1830 warehouse, encourage people to enjoy the whole museum.”
Nothing like a bit of landscaping to increase visitor numbers so who needs visiting live steam engines?
With museum directors thinking like this and spending vast amounts of money on creating structures like IWM North and the inside of Lambeth there seems to be little hope.
Also one of the two surviving SRN4s is probably going to be scrapped to make way for a public space!!!! Surely an SRN4 should be at Wroughton. They moved a complete Fleet Street press there so what is the problem here, make the developer pay.
It is just a shame that the were wasn’t a colony of newts or bats in the garage.:D:D:D
SAR will now not relocate to Manston from Lydd and more interesting info re the two museums and RiverOak.
Merlin70’s post would make an excellent epilogue for this thread. Shall we make it so?
Otter be aware you are not allowed to mention the word “buried” and a certain famous fighter in the same post or this thread will be locked,:D
The number 73 bus is nothing more than a myth :dev2:.
Bob T.
Many people in Stoke Newington would agree with you! Now they know why took a wrong turning at The Angel.:D
I made my comment about bullying, having read what I construed as a slightly over-the-top, sanctimonious reference to this forum and society. I have thought for some time and still do, that most of us need broader shoulders. thicker skins and less sensitivity to taking offence.
Oh and I thought it was tongue in cheek hence my tongue in cheek prod and 😀 😀