If I’m ever in trouble and you are the only one around, .

OK so it’s a hot day you take a dip in a deep lake and get into trouble, this will almost certainly be because of thermal shock. A young man out in the park with his wife and two and a half kids jumps into save you. He manages to get you close to the bank where you are pulled out, he is exhausted and also suffering from thermal shock and whilst all the efforts are focused on you the young man slips under and drowns.

Please explain how you would feel about that.

The risks of drowning are very high

http://www.rospa.com/media-centre/press-office/press-releases/detail/?id=1179

RoSPA issues hot weather drowning alert
05/07/2013
Periods of hot weather are often linked to a spate of accidental drownings, particularly when they coincide with weekends, school holidays and bank holidays.
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA), the leading accident prevention charity in the UK, wants families to get out and about to enjoy the weather but to be extra vigilant around inland waters, such as rivers, lakes, lochs, quarries and reservoirs, which can be more dangerous than they appear.
There are about 260 accidental drowning deaths in inland waters each year – about 60 per cent of the total number of accidental water deaths.
In 2011, 22 teenagers aged 15-19 drowned accidentally in the UK, with the majority of these deaths happening in inland waters, according to the National Water Safety Forum’s Water Incident Database. And research funded by the RoSPA/BNFL Scholarship, of which the findings have been published today, has identified drowning risk factors to help determine the case for improving water safety and targeting campaigns, highlighting that teenagers and young men are at higher risk of drowning inland than other groups.

A Canadian study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23977112

And that font of accurate “news”

Heatwave death toll reaches 13

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-heatwave-drowning-death-2060658

There are numerous cases where people have died trying to rescue people and dogs.

This one raises a point which probably applies in most cases.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/1/ohio-man-dies-trying-to-save-girl-from-drowning/

There is no one simple answer that covers all especially when you are not there at the time. “Boy drowns” does not make such a good story as “Boy drowns while people stand around watching.”

Whilst, of course, one hopes that any bystander would do their best to effect a rescue and that possibly you have a duty to society, you also have a duty to your family. Sad though it may be if the little girl in the above case had lost her life there would not now be 4 children without a father. I certainly wouldn’t like to be put into that position to make an instant decision and I certainly wouldn’t think I had the right or superiority to judge others. If I got into difficulty would I want somebody to loose their life trying to save me, absolutely and certainly not. I know that my life would be over if I had to live with the guilt of somebody dying trying to rescue me and that includes police/fire and ambulance services. I know this as I fell apart from the guilt of my brother dying of natural causes on his own. Would I try to rescue, well I would certainly hope so but I doubt very much in the Wanstead case if I would have been successful. Whether my wife, children and grandchild would think I had made the right decision if I died is another matter altogether. And I am sure what would be said in public by them would not necessarily be what they thought in private.

I fully support the decisions the moderators make. They have a very difficult job to do.
Pauses to wipe something brown off my nose.

I would prefer to see the thread locked rather than taken down as there were many very well researched posts. These posts are a valuable resource which took the contributors some considerable time to produce and they deserve to remain available.

May I suggest that on this thread that the mods use powers they already have and after one public warning place a temporary ban on the transgressor. Presumably it isn’t possible to ban from just the one thread?

Paul

As suspected this case has been going on for many, many months and the bankruptcy stage reach around January this year.

Ken is saying that he was not liable for the period that the council is claiming business rates. He is saying that the council have not provided any evidence either to him or the court why they considered him liable. He also stated that he could pay the £6000 and carry on the case about liability afterwards. He represented himself in court and now regrets that saying he wished he had used a solicitor.
This may not have been acceptable at this stage because of the significant costs that had been incurred. The OR needs to proceed with the sale of the property before the costs puts it into negative equity in relation to the fees.

I repeat that I feel he has been very poorly advised and possible used by certain people for their political advantage. This has cost him dearly. There is probably no recovery from this now as evidence was not produced at the right time.

More videos on Youtube.

Office talking to Ken and shows him the warrants. Ken looks at them but does not take them. Bailiff attempts to force entry and fails. He appears to say door has been screwed up. Taking action to deliberately prevent entry in this case is an offence.

Young children about also filming.

Having read (some of) this it seems that bailiffs have no legal right to enter a property by force anyway…

…if that is the case what is the point of the ‘law’ regarding eviction?

In a normal civil case, say landlord v tenant, the police are not involved at all and can only be present to keep the peace. It is correct that a bailiff cannot use force so gain entry. So agreed what’s the point.
HOWEVER, in this case it is money owed to HMRC, the council is merely the collector, the debtor has been made bankrupt and all assets now belong to the Official Receiver and a warrant signed by a judge can be issued authorising force to be used by the bailiff and if specifically stated also by the police.