Personally,

I didnt like the guy. His music at the peak of his career I would say was thriller and perhaps an album or so after that but lately the guy just got to weird. Not that thats a bad thing but just totally lost on me.

I feel for his family and in any case 50 is too young to die.

R.I.P King of Pop

Does anyone else feel annoyed that Leuchar’s is an operational F-3 base, but they don’t have any listed as flying for the airshow?

Maybe we should email mother Russia and ask for a north sea patrol flight coinciding with the airshow for a proper scramble, pref during the tiffy display!

Sometimes we do actually see operation use during the airshow but as you can understand there is no info given out only that a sceduled departure will interupt the show for a few minutes. Nobody minds at all really.

I have a feeling that F3’s will be there. Perhaps as part of the role demo.:)

Let me ask you one thing of all those who think the murderer has the same rights as the victim.

Who gave the murderer the RIGHT to take the life of another.

No one did he took that upon himself just like he took the life of his victim.

In my world he would hang in the dead of night with complete silence other than the rope getting tighter round his neck.

Pondskater you quote this.

“Eye for an eye” is about vengeance but the original Babylonian system was intended to restrict retribution to an equal response.

If this method was to indeed restrict retribution to an equal response then it sounds like a bloody good system then doesnt it.

But just how you implement such a system for a petty thief versus a child rapist or murderer of anyone I just dont know.

I think this could be argued over for years to come and none of us will ever agree on this. As I mentioned before I dont think I will ever see the death penalty brought back in this country in my lifetime so it seems pointless to dicuss it further.Well pehaps pointless is the wrong word but I am growing tired of this thread as everyone has such differing opinions and just as you though the thread was done someone else pops up and reignites the discussion. Lets save it until they do indeed try to introduce it again and the lets get a debate going again. Now if you guys dont mind I wont post anymore on this one but I will keep reading.

Very well thought of posting by some and no doubt very emotional for everyone.

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1) But what if he immediately feels remorse, realising that he has been influenced by others, horror struck by what he has done.Should he be allowed the chance to reform.

2) Obviously the human rights of the victim are the same as the murderer.

On point number one the answer would be no. He deserves to die. Only thing about this is that a hell of a lot of bombers have become suicide bombers as this seems to be the only way to get the bomb to the right place and to detonate at the right time. Thus they become martyrs. So this kind of makes the death penalty null and void for him as he would already be dead.

Another thing that clouds this situation is that if he were caught before the act and diffused would he still face the death penalty??

Difficult one that as death has not occured by his hand yet but the intention was there. Further cloudied by the case that some lads are pressured into doing this. So very difficult call that one.

But in the first instance he does deserve to be executed.

Point no two no the rights of the victim are not the same as the murderer. He gives up any rights when he takes the life of another no matter who they are. And again he deserves to die.

There is an old pagan way that involves rituals etc that can be traced into witchcraft aswell. This being either white witchcraft or black it doesnt really matter but it does stem from the pagans. That if you carry out an act on somebody expect to get it back 10 fold. Basically meaning if you cursed someone then you could expect that curse back on yourself 10 times stronger. This seems kind of relavant here.

but done privately and humanely. For me, the purpose of the death penalty would be to deny any form of fulfillment of a life to the perpetrator. There is no need to do this in public, or to make it painful.

As my Uncle died as a result of injuries received when he was attacked at home you may well say this is just an emotional response. I cannot deny that, I am an emotional man. But even if the perpetrator was found, I would not wish him any more than a humane death. For him to be deprived of life as he deprived my Uncle of life. That would be enough, and only then if there was irrefutable proof that he was the guilty party. Why should the man who caused the death of my Uncle, who kicked him in the chest as he lay on the floor, with no more thought than kicking a tin can, be allowed to serve a minimal prison sentence then go on to live a fulfilled life.

Kev

I understand your feelings and respect that.

But in your case I cannot help but feel (this is speaking personally) why should this crim get off easily with a humane death. What he did to your uncle was not humane.

I will stop there as I do not want to upset anyone over this thread again but it is as I have said before in this thread. An eye for an eye.

Sorry one last thing. I guess if any sort of death penalty was to be introduced then the family of the victim would be the one who could stop the execution. ie if they felt strongly enough that the execution should not or could not be allowed to happen then they would have that say. But then how would you implement the aftercare of that prisoner. Would it be interred for life ie dies in prison or would it be 30 years then 20 then 10 as we got softer again.

Hard thing to come to terms with I suppose if you were the executioner of an innocent man or woman. I guess it would be a hazard of the job.

After all the executioner only comes into do the job the authorities have handed down.

Just be grateful for what you do get to see, enjoy it, cherish it, because for whatever reason it be might be the last you see, maybe not for ever but at least for a considerable time.

Hi Kev

I certainly buy into that train of thought. We were at Perth airshow at the start of the month and although rather wet still enjoyed it as it was our first time there. I do not envy you the job that you have with your Dad and Uncle thats for sure but do know what its like caring for someone.

Last conversation I had with you regards mobility you were in a wheelchair. Is this still the same or had you got better then worse again?

Some of the best moments in flying have been low passes and flying.

There are too many to mention.

The problem comes when you put someone ill prepared and wreckless in the pilot seat.

If a skilled pilot is in control of the aircraft and he knows his plane then very little can go wrong. Obviously the can be technical malfunctions which is beyond any pilots means and with very little height this could present a problem.

Also I dont see what the problem with the long straight passes and climb out are. They are done fast enough that the aircraft has flying speed and there are no turns just a climb. There were some video clips in there that clearly were not low flying I guess it must have been part of another video at some point.

And the one with the airliner low very low pass and bank at the end has been discussed at lenght on the rights and wrongs of low flying in particular this one pilot and aircraft.

If you can find the thread I think it was quite a long one.

Here is the thread I mentioned above.

Not as long as I remember

And at the risk of stirring old emotions from a zombie thread again

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=74460

Well Merlin,I’m delighted to know that any child’s life is more important and precious than mine.I don’t see how you or anyone else can put a quantitave value on life.ALL life,however short or long,is precious.Naturally as adults we protect children and I’d willingly die for my daughter,but I wouldn’t presume to value anyone’s life as being “worth” more than anyone else’s.

BumbleBee,

as I said in my post we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

I am in no way trying to say your life is worthless it clearly isnt.

I suppose it is each individuals set of ideals that they have. In which during the course of our lives they change.

I reflect some of Old Shapes comments about jumping into the river to save some children. I personally would have to save them some other way as I cannot swim very well but until put in that situation no one really knows. There are cases of people out there who cannot swim and who have jumped in to save someone. Very brave indeed or stupid depending on your own views.

I have no children of my own but have raised my step daughter and step son as my own for the last 13 years. I also have a neighbour who has just had a little boy. We (my wife and I) have grown very attached to the little one since he was born.There was a connection before he was even born. We are very fond of our neighbour and since she found out she was pregnant it has been hard for her and we have supported her along the way. In fact we were the first people she told. Now that he is here we support her still, allowing her to rest for a few hours by babysitting for her. But it is even more than just that.

Should anything ever happen to that baby (who is about 3 months now) I dont know what we would do. He is not my own but I would gladly give my life for his for a chance for him to have a full life. I have seen some of the world. The nasty vile place that it is. Yeah sure there are some good bits aswell but the whole world is riddled with rot.

My point well there is no point really but rather just the way I feel and think about things.

As I said I agree to disagree.