You drew the wrong inference from my post. I meant should we be surprised that people are talking conspriacy theories – they are as inevitable as night following day. People love them!

It was an appalling accident and we will know whether or not it was due to piklot error in due course.

Stoeng – you refer to the pressure on the crew bearing in mind the unique circumstances of the occasion. Whilst not condoning any action the crew might have taken in contravention of advice, we are nevertheless dealing with human beings and the nature of this flight and the reason for all the dignitaries being together for the commemoration on behalf of their nation, must have weighed heavily in that cockpit.

It is an appalling tragedy and Poles will feel the pain for as liong as they remember Katyn itself. In an interview a member of the Polish government said that the cruel irony was that after a period of poor Polish/Russia relations this event will bring the two nations closer and relations would improve.

Yes it is..but it looks like the general consensus here is she should have the stick thin body of a Supermodel and the face of the Madonna..sad really

I would have said the consensus was the opposite of that. I can’t look at the wafer thin models, neither do I enjoy big women, but for sure there is a place for both in the perpetual mystery of what it is about a woman that attracts us.

We’ve certainly imported a lot of their bad, cheap TV, such as tacky chat shows, bare-all revelation shows and cheap laugh shows………..but along with a few great comedies and series.

GA – we do not seem to be debating the same points, or at least failing to understand each others points. I am in danger of repeating myself – twice – so perhaps we had better leave it where it is. Others can pick it up and run with it – either with your arguments or mine – if they choose.:)

Of course not, but that was not my point. Criticising a Muslim for bad driving is perceived to be racist whereas criticising an white Englishman is not. There is a wholly false inference drawn by the politically correct that implicit in the criticism of the Muslim is racism.

It is born out of the sensitivity to avoid offence at any cost so as to preserve the veneer of multiculturism.

I think you are blind to the inference people now draw from ANY sort of criticism, lumping it all as racism. That is the point I am trying to make. And it’s not really difficult – it’s blindingly obvious, and I am surprised you don’t see the point.

Criticise a Muslim for bad driving and you’ll be accused of racism. Criticise a Pakistani for rudeness and you’ll be accused of racism. Criticise a black for inconsiderate behaviour and you’ll be accused of racism. That used never to be the case.

You used the word ‘criticism’.

You are now shifting the goalposts.

Very PC of you.

Please substitute criticism – there was no intention to shift the goalposts – exactly the same criteria apply. We should all be free to criticise whomever we wish and of whatever colour or creed.

Presumably you practise according to the definition you quoted, or are playing devil’s advocate in this debate?