This is the best close-up pic yet taken of the intake:
Jล, the pictures aren’t working. Please repost.
China to buy 123 AL-31FN jet engines from Russia.
China Signs $500 Million Russian Jet Engine Deal, Vedomosti Says
Tango, your link is faulty.
So, Mistral deal is happening. This link says transfer of technology is happening. It has damn better well happen.
They sure do make it sound like a done deal:
They are cheap and with new targeting systems – highly effective.
I don’t agree. If you’re going to fight against even the most poorly equiped enemies you need to keep your expensive new (or expensively upgraded) aircraft well outside the range of (at the very least) short ranged SAMs. Try doing this with rockets and you’ll either hit nothing or you will get killed. In Georgia, Russian Frogfoots used unguided rockets en masse. Sure they inflicted terror casualties but they did very little real damage when they had the perfect opportunity to. Ok, so it didn’t affect the outcome of that particular war but it might for the next one.
You do not need a Vikhr to take out terrorists in Chechnya, which is the most common thing that these choppers will be doing. Or attacking enemy infantry. I highly doubt that Kamov is ever going to face columns of tanks..
Unless there is a repeat of the Georgian conflict (before which, I’m sure people were saying “oh, there’s no way Russian AF Frogfoots are going to be attacking armoured columns these days, they’re just there to scare a few terrorists back into the woods”).
Its unimpressive. Even for light-scale counter insurgency, the Russian AF needs to be able to hit pin-point targets in all weather, day and night, from reasonable stand-off distances. WWII tactics and weapons don’t cut it anymore.
DISCLAIMER: I’m sort of playing devil’s advocate here. I know the RuAF operate more modern weapons than rockets and iron bombs but it would be nice to see a spike in their use as has happened in the West and elsewhere. I also know that using up stocks is a cheap and satisfyingly noisy way to train pilots/get nice pictures… that isn’t what I’m criticising per se.
http://russianplanes.net/images/to47000/046224.jpg
Cool payload on a Su-27SM.
http://russianplanes.net/images/to47000/046212.jpg
Ka-52 unloading rockets.
The Russians love their unsophisticated weapons don’t they?
The doors look quite monstrous if you ask me. I don’t think I have ever seen armor as thick as that on anything that flies
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/…hp?photo=40620
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/…hp?photo=40621
Gotta love the Havoc – looks like a real war machine! :diablo:
On the other hand:
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110413/163513236.html
“Russia has reached an agreement with France that meets the Defense Ministry’s demand to provide Mistral with the communications and other systems that would satisfy the requirements of the Navy,” the source said.
Go figure! ๐
Glad this thread has come up because I’ve wanted a place to big up councilman Smith! Get that man a medal!!
French and UN helicopters and ground forces in action again as situation in Ivory Coast turns into a proper little civil war
Oops! Spoke too soon:
Serbia AF just need the airplane who can be used to control the airspace.
If any major conflict appears in the region, the USA will jump in and bomb everyone to stone age (not that I approve it).
So the old Mig-21 with some Israeli upgrade would be just sufficient. Or maybe Swiss f-5 again with some Israeli upgrade.
However, since Sweden is phasing out Gripen A/B, they would just suite the role. If they can provide spares for quite some time, it would be optimal.
Other airplanes could be just some light attack/training aircraft for local conflicts.
It seems we are all agreed: a few second-hand or dirt cheap airframes for air policing and hang on to the G-4s for training/light attack… Who’s going to write to ล utanovac (defence minister)?
Ukrainian Hinds in Action over Ivory Coast
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/04/laurent-gbagbo-un-attack-helicopters
I know what a loan is, but if you take out a loan to buy spinners for your car, both you and the bank are idiots. You double your money on interest? Thats some trick, but its only impressive if you can define a time period. But of course we both know there’s no interest here, not really. So I give you 10 bucks, so that you can give me 11 bucks tomorrow. This only benefits both parties if 11 bucks tomorrow, is worth more than 10 bucks today, and if you can actually make 11 bucks by tomorrow with the 10 I gave you today
I amended my post above with bold text to make it clearer.
A Mig-35 isn’t exactly going to be making Serbia any money; if anything its a huge additional expenditure
You are absolutely right about that!
Putting money from your left pocket into your right pocket, is not smart by anyone’s definition. If the aim is to provide support for a dying MiG, then just give the money to MiG. Of course, I don’t know how Russian taxpayers feel about giving $3 billion of their tax money to a dead company to grease up the managers there. But stranger things have happened.
Forget interest. The only smart thing about putting money from your left pocket into your right pocket, is that some of it gets “lost” along the way.
You haven’t yet fully grasped the concept of a “loan” have you. Generally, the money gets paid back. Therefore, if I give you a loan of, say, ten bucks but on the condition that you buy a toy that I’m going to make: i get paid to make the toy (and therefore get to pocket the ten bucks I loaned you) and you still owe me ten bucks… plus any interest we agree on. So when you pay me back I will have doubled my money (or better – i.e. plus interest) and get to keep my toy-making skills sharp as ever.
Which is why a MiG-35, or whatever, is a parade toy designed to get some votes. Which may be why the Russians may be throwing it out there (if the rumors are true); ie a $10 billion “deal” (read: “stimuls”, ie political deal) can make or break any government.
From my earlier post:
Anyway, this story has now been killed pretty conclusively:
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Drust…opreme.sr.html
(the article is in Serbian, again, but google translate is your friend)
Over G,
Serbia’s future equipment should be a new generation of Sams and a fleet of specialized ground attack planes like the Su-25.
No it shouldn’t. See below.
Is futile to develop air superiority tactics against an overhelming first strike, the main problem for serbians and other so called ‘rogue’ nations -arrogant label from the west- are not the swarms of F-15s Tornados or F-16s or even the stealth garbage, the main problem was and still is the Tomahawk first strike.
Unfortunately, your suggested equipment purchases and doctrine are based on a mistaken assumption about Serbia’s geopolitical position. Since 2006 Serbia has been a member of PfP and is hoping to soon acheive candidate status for joining the EU. There has even been talk of joining NATO – though this is unlikely. Even had this not been the case, a new war (against anyone, let alone NATO) is highly unlikely and would remain so even if there is a change of government at the next elections. The most likely armed operations are very small in scale and more akin to policing than to military operations. Acquisition of new military equipment ought to reflect the strategic/political reality. More importantly still, any purchase of new kit must reflect the economic reality which is currently very constraining indeed and is unlikely to change drastically in the near future.
Kapedani,
I hope someone was joking with this supposed “rumor”. I hope Russia isn’t so stupid as to think that lending 3 billion to buy weapons from yourself, is a “smart” move.
It most certainly would be a “smart move” for the Russians. A direct injection of cash into their arms industry, from outside the military budget, propping up ‘endangered’ companies like MiG and you get all the money back – with interest? Sounds pretty smart to me.
Maybe Serbia could pool with other Balkan nations to purchase a squadron or three of Mig-35s. Ownership could be rotated on a daily basis: Serbia has an Air Force Mondays and Thursdays.
This is brilliant! ๐
…also, sadly, the most realistic proposal so far ๐