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…Actually I think I’d feel a bit upset if I sold them these lovely little aircraft, just sell them a bunch of second hand F-16 Bangers, something easy to shoot down. Kidding(ish)
Thank you for your constructive comments. I’m sure your knowledge of the political and security environment of the region is unparalleled and would like to thank you for your insightful contribution to this thread.
ananda,
but politically what’s is the chance Serbia get those 4th gen Western stuff ?
Political barriers to the purchase of western equipment are not insurmountable. Indeed, it would be difficult to measure them but my impression is that they are no more robust than political barriers to the purchase of Russian or Chinese kit.
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Anyway, this story has now been killed pretty conclusively:
(the article is in Serbian, again, but google translate is your friend)
PS speaking of friends, Rii, let me take this opportunity to introduce you to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig-29#Variants
The Russian Ambassador in Belgrade now denies that there was ever any mention of a 10bn euro/dollar/whatever loan so all of this talk is probably hot air.
Anyway, TJ is right, second hand lawndarts or Mirages or anything similar would be perfect. Ultimately, Serbia only needs a handful of early 4gen aircraft to be able to patrol domestic airspace. Austria did the same job just fine with her Drakens… Mmm, Drakens in Serbian markings *drool*
I disagree with all those that think a sub-sonic advanced trainer can be used effectively in the air policing role so, should a new type deemed necessary, I’m sticking to my guns and going with the FC-1.
The best option would be to spend as little money buying as simple a solution as possible and integrating as much local technology as possible. Technology transfer should also be an important factor. As much of the production as possible (including of sub-components etc.) should be carried out in Serbia.
Basically its a balancing act between these two opposing forces:
1. The need to maintain air-space security over the whole territory of the country and possibly over the territories of Montenegro and Macedonia (should that possibility ever become anything remotely resembling a reality) to a level that guarantees local and regional security needs.
2. The (rather desperate) need to prevent money flowing out of the country in large quantities for no returns.
The ideal solution, were it ever to be politically expedient (which it will never be), is some sort of FC-1 version, optimised for all-weather intercept and with secondary recon and ground attack roles re-designed from the inside with the cooperation of local technicians and with as much possible local technology as it is possible to include on an airframe… Not to mention made as compatible with NATO communications standards.
I know, I’m a dreamer.
Unfortunately, what is likely to happen is that some foreign power or other will pressure the government to take a loan for a squadron or two of expensive, flashy, multi-role aircraft which will then suck the military budget dry on maintenance and mid-life upgrades.
Hey this is interesting.
What kind of aircraft are we talking about?
A Mig-29 deriative, aka Mig-35?
Or perhaps some export Flanker?
Personally, I don’t see this materialising at all – thankfully – but if it does, MiG-35 or similar is a fair bet.

sexy hud!
Also claims contract for 12 Mi-28Ns has been signed with some export customer.
I don’t buy it.
I’m with Deino – pics or it didn’t happen.
here you go my custard milk drinking friend
um… how about one in flight?
and, ‘custard milk’? :confused:
SERBIA INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING WARPLANES FROM BOSNIA
http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Drustvo/Srbija-zainteresovana-za-nabavku-aviona-od-BIH.lt.html
[sorry – article in Serbian… google translate is your friend]
To paraphrase:
Serbia is interested in acquiring J-22, J-21/G-2 and G-4s from Bosnia and Herzegovina in a similar deal to that completed with Montenegro last year (which saw six Montenegrin G-4s pass to Serbia in exchange for shares in “Novi prvoborac”, a construction company in Montenegro).
The Swan that turned into an ugly duckling, i guess that’s a first in fighters. Fugly16IN these days.
You think that’s bad? You should see the MiG-29SMT!
I think that any Egyptian government is as likely to close the canal as any Iranian government is to close all its oil wells.
BTW, Egypt gets >10% of its foreign currency earnings from the canal, & 20% from tourism. Of the >50% from exports of goods, much is from exports of non-essential goods (early spring vegetables, textiles, etc) to Europe. The majority of calories eaten by Egyptians are imported.
It isn’t Iran. Everyone understands how dependent it is on foreign earnings which are very vulnerable to disruption.
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I think that any Egyptian government is as likely to close the canal as any Iranian government is to close all its oil wells.
BTW, Egypt gets >10% of its foreign currency earnings from the canal, & 20% from tourism. Of the >50% from exports of goods, much is from exports of non-essential goods (early spring vegetables, textiles, etc) to Europe. The majority of calories eaten by Egyptians are imported.
It isn’t Iran. Everyone understands how dependent it is on foreign earnings which are very vulnerable to disruption.
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(China’s civil-military ‘disconnect’):
Sorry, have to take issue with any reading of what happened as a ‘disconnect’ between China’s civilian and military leaderships. There is no way the president of China did not know about the flight of the J-20. Giving that impression is on a par with NATO saying they bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade because they were relying on old maps.