[QUOTE=hallo84]The russians are always trying to shove out the trash to India and china for new funding[QUOTE]
Whatever you might think about the airframe life of Russian Backfires (and some aren’t that old at all) you can still hardly refer to it as trash. It is still a large supersonic bomber with lots of avionics upgrade potential and a very decent range. Considerring the fact that it out performs, by a long shot, the Badgers China is operating at the moment referring to it as “trash” is going a bit far in my opinion. Just think what a Backfire, with new radar, new avionics and new weapons would mean – just for what the Chinese could learn from it…
I took a look at the HAL website earier, specifically to check out what they have on the ALH, and found quite a lot of info about it. The thing that disappointed me though is the lack of info on the army version. Anyone know how far along that is? Any idea if there’s been a prototype? What are the avionics like? What ATGMs is it going to carry?
Crobato,
I’m surprised that you don’t show much remorse over that fact. I know that there are only so many things that Backfires can do that Badgers can’t and that, clrealy, these extra capabilities aren’t worth the airframe and operating costs… But… It would sure be useful for the Chinese aviation industry if they could draw on the PLAAF’s experience of operating large super-sonic bombers. Especially if the Chinese ever plan on making one of their own.
Brian,
Perhaps the problem was the fact that the Gripen uses so many US components which are/were restricted for sale to Pakistan.
And if Israel adhered to countless UN resolutions regardning the Golan Hights etc etc blah blah blah…
I don’t think there’s any need to get into a discussion such as this in my thread about the Igla MANPADS.
And I get an opportunity to repeat myself yet again: The M/M2/K versions of the MiG-29 are practically completely new aircraft with better range, cheaper + easier maintainence, better range, better fuel efficiency, new avionics, new radar, new weapons, new cockpit, better ergonomics, lighter + better + more modern airframe… I may have missed some improvements…
If India is going to operate MiG-29Ks on its carrier then M and M2s for the airforce will make a lot of sense. Experience with the MKIs also shows that the Russians are willing to integrate foreign and Indian weapons and systems and if the Indians set up a local MiG-29 logistics and maintenence centre there should be no problems from that side of things. Can anyone explain why the MiG-29 would be a bad option for India please.
Question: What is it the Indians don’t like about their current MiG-29 fleet?
Not to mention the fact that the airframes are a lot cheaper so more money is left over for weapons, spare parts, pilot training… etc etc.
The Igla is a major upgrade of the Igla-1 (SA-16), and is claimed to be very effective, and has even been exported to western countries.
Which ones?
I guess I was kinda hoping for better replies than this…
Looks like Mig 29 could be a winner here if looking for delivery dates, commonality with MiG29K for Navy. However, operation costs and single vendor/country situation, MiG 29 is a very, very bad idea.
Are operating costs for the MiG-29M/M2 really that high? Please could everyone remember that this is an almost completely new aircraft and not a MiG-29A.
Regarding the “single vedor/country” situation; I was under the impression that India had or will set up a local maintainence/logistics centre for its FULCRUMs anyway – thusly making the ’29 an attractive option in my opinion.
Also, the FULCRUM might, at a later date, be made compatible with indigenous (or jointly developed with Russia) GPS/GLOSNAS guided weapons – which would fit perfectly into the Indo-Russian sat-nav project.
To be perfectly honest the drawbacks to the FULCRUM just don’t seem serious enough to ignore the attractive air-frame costs.
As I understood it, the concern isn’t about a general MANPADS thread, its specifically about the Igla. I may have misunderstood it though.
and all of its weapons will be inside the fuselage
Presumably it will still have the option of mounting out-sized air to ground weapons on external hardpoints if and when this is required.
This, if true, sounds like big news – why doesn’t anyone seem particularly interested?
MOSCOW, January 14 (RIA Novosti) – Russia might sell long-range strategic bombers to China, said Air Force commander Vladimir Mikhailov. He was referring, in particular, to the medium-range Tu-22M3 bomber.
Rosoboronexport refused to comment on Mr. Mikhailov’s statement, but two sources in the Russian aircraft manufacturing companies confirmed China’s interest in the Tu-22M3 to Vedomosti. The Chinese military leadership has decided to set up a long-range aviation command even though the country does not have modern aircraft of this class.
In the past, Russia has refused to sell the bombers to China because they represent a “too powerful weapons system.” Hence, the statement by the Air Force commander can be taken as proof of a change in Russia’s position on this issue.
The only long-range bomber China has now is the Tu-16, said military expert Mikhail Barabanov. The Soviet Union sold a license for its production to China in the late 1950s, but the aircraft became obsolete long ago and cannot threaten even Taiwan, the main possible adversary of China. Besides, the US fleet can come to the rescue of Taiwan. But if China acquires the Tu-22M3, especially if it is armed with the latest Russian missiles, it may be able to threaten the Americans on the long approaches to Taiwan, the expert said.
China should buy at least two Tu-22M3 regiments (up to 40 aircraft), which would be enough to guarantee the destruction of a US carrier group, according to calculations made in Soviet times. Konstantin Makiyenko, an expert at the Strategy and technology Analysis Center, thinks two Tu-22M3 regiments with the latest missiles would cost more than $1 billion.
Since the mass production of the Tu-22M3 was curtailed in 1991, the deliveries can only be made from the available pool of aircraft, which has fallen from nearly 300 in 1991 to 130 today.
Damn it! I just don’t like it! I must still be too nostalgic over the Anyushka to like the An-3.
And if the enemy’s army is made up of a lot of first born sons of Egypt they’re laughing… So to speak.