Thanks lads – yes I had forgotten seeing the previous thread. Does anyone have any pictures?
Although not strictly historic aviation, there is another interesting BBC news video on the C-130 today as a part of the fourtieth anniversary celebrations at RAF Lynham: http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6920000/newsid_6926900/6926938.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1. Given that they often overfly my house at very low level, sometimes in formation, heading down the valley it is interesting to see the view from the air (although not unfortunately of where I live).
Blenheim Dug Up In Somerset
Saw this on this morning’s habitual catch up with the news on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6927391.stm. Although it it difficult to say, given the poor quality of the caption photo there looks to to be quite a large piece of wreckage. Does anyone have any more info?
Sea Hawk, The Windsock Datafile, which, incidentally is No. 103, and not as I originally stated, provides the following information on South African DH 6’s
“Two DH6’s were taken to South Africa by F H Solomon, who traded as Cape Coast Resorts Aviation, but crashes brought an end to the company in 1921.” (p. 25)
An appendix on p. 33 identifies the DH 6’s as
G-EAMK, former C9448 “Crashed in South Africa 1921.”
G-EAML, former C9449 “Crashed in South Africa. Now in SAAF Museum.”Incidentally, the appendix gives the owner’s name as F H Soloman.
As for other surviving DH 6 relics, one propeller was advertised in 2006 as being for sale for £ 1 750.
Regards,
Jan
Thanks Jan, sounds like it is the same category as the Argentinian Nieuport 28 – will add it to the list annotated as a crash wreck pro tem.
According to the Windsock Datafile on the DH 6 (No. 97, p. 33), C9449 (later G-EAML) is kept by the SAAF Museum. No idea if they have the complete aircraft, but if so, this would make it the sole remaining Airco DH 6.
Regards,
Jan
Thanks Jan – very exciting news! I cannot find any sniff of this on their website or their friends’ website or anywhere else so far. I have therefore emailed them and will let you know if I find out anything further (if I don’t I will have to revert to snail mail).
I’ve found another Jenny.
JN-4D
Cn-001 Western Aeroplane and Automobile Museum, Hood River, Oregon.
Said to have 90% of its original wood and original wires.
Airworthy.BTW:
The museum is set to open Sept 7-9, at its 50,000 square foot facility 45 miles east of Portland Oregon on the Columbia River.
It currenty has 30 flying aircraft and another 25 under restoration. Emphasis is on American civil types produced between the wars.
It’s a registered non-profit organization established by farm equipment manufacturer Terry Brant, a long time pilot and restorer of antique aircraft.
http://WWW.WAAAmuseum.org
Thanks I’ll add it to the list. Keep ’em coming I am still making slow progress on the definative list and hope to post something that is about as close as we can manage in about two month’s time.
The hangar that is at risk used to be used for testing by a body similar to the BSI as at one time it had a full sized house in it, and also stored cars for a while.
curlyboy
It was the Building Research Establishment, and at least in part, the work there consisted of undertaking fire test research on buildings.
Fantastic, Sea Hawk. :rolleyes:
Link from one misinformed thread to another. I’m sure that between the two, you’ll be able to come up with enough conjecture and speculation to sully even the most positive of minds.
Flipflopman
I think that both sides of the argument are strongly represented on the thread in question – you have certainly had your say in it. It also discusses some of the technical issues and also has contributions from those with considerable experience of operating the type. One can read both sides of the argument, some views down the middle and draw one’s own conclusions.
Winding up the key on the clockwork aircraft.
Photo that I took of Cosford’s Henschel 293 last year, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_293
BoB Nameplates in RAFM Collection
In fact there is a very good piece on the RAFM website about the BoB nameplates in their possession and how they aquired them: http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/exhibitions/loco_plates/index.cfm
As you can see they own 18 nameplates (presumably all with their crests/plaques).
The most recent plate and plaque set sold at auction seems to have been ‘601 Squadron’ sold by Sheffield Railway Auctions for £35,000 on 10 March this year, but they sold a loose crest on 16 June for £8,000.
Trust you to come out with an aerial pic of the entrance DB, very cool, the other shots of the current state of the base from REF are very sad, we couldn’t bear going to Norfolk for our hols this year as it would have been too quiet.
Were all 44 or rather 88, BoB class nameplates presented to the RAF then when the locos were withdrawn in the 60’s, less ‘Winston Churchill’ as it’s at York, and if so, where are they all now.
I looked up a previous thread and saw a picture of 6 of them on display at RAF Bentley Priory including what must be the other Hurricane nameplate.
I know that some of these loco’s are running in preservation, in fact, for the summer, ‘Tangmere’ is being disguised as ‘Spitfire’ in conjunction with the Shepherd Neame brewery, but I bet all these plates they carry now are replicas, they are too precious to tempt the screwdriver brigade.
Certainly on the line on which I worked as a volunteer for many years the nameplates were changed for replicas in normal day-to-day use quite a few years back now. Don’t forget that the majority of preserved BoBs came via Barry scrapyard in any case and thus had no non-ferrous fittings left of any nature, let alone nameplates, when they passed into preservation, indeed many had even lost their tenders and consisted of little more than frames, wheelsets, cylinder castings and boilers. ‘Winston Churchill’ (1965) and ‘Blackmoor Vale/Blackmore Vale’ (1967) were the only two Bullied light pacifics to pass directly into preservation.
Where the nameplates went is an interesting question and one worthy of further research. One suspects that the usual thing happened – some were presented by BR, others were claimed by what was then the Museum of British Transport, a lot of others were sold off by BR (officially and unofficially) and a few were pinched. I am pretty sure that I recall seeing quantities of BoB plates in the national collection initially at Clapham and later in York and also at the Canadian National Railway Museum.
For the record the following BoBs have been preserved: 21C151/34051 ‘Winston Churchill’; 21C153/34053 ‘Sir Keith Park’; 21C158/34058 ‘Sir Frederick Pile’; 21C159/34059 ‘Sir Archibald Sinclair’; 21C167/34067 ‘Tangmere’; 21C170/34070 ‘Manston’; 34072 ‘257 Squadron’; 34073 ‘249 Squadron’; and 34081 ’92 Squadron’
Sea Hawk… but wouldn’t that mean that all these people making 70% 80% & 90% replicas go all the way and build 100% size replicas? i can’t recall but i think there are some other issues especially with replica spits.
Apologies for the delay in replying – just back from a week’s holiday. I believe that you will find that certifying aircraft for flight is a separate issue. The question originally raised was over copying Mosquito drawings and I don’t believe that there is likely to be a copyright infringment issue with copying drawings that are over 50 years old, it just depends on what you do with them… if one simply wants to study them for personal interest or to make models, as one would think would be the case for 99% of prospective purchasers then there is no problem. Similarly if one wanted to build one’s own Mosquito from them and stick it in the back garden then I would have thought that there would be nothing that BA could do about it, even if they wanted to. If one wished to fly it then things might be a bit different…. having said that the Shuttleworth fly a replica tripehound, etc, and there have been/are other replica aircraft of that vintage on the British register.
Probably quite a bit from lawyers acting for BAE Systems!
I would not claim to be a legal expert but my understanding is that under UK law design right protection lasts for 25 years, but if we are talking about copyrighted material, it varies depending on the medium involved (being longest for books at author’s lifetime + 70 years) but is generally 50 years. So I would have thought that the Mosquito drawings would be out of copyright. Hopefully one of the lawyers on the forum can correct me if I am wrong – my wife is no use as she has only ever specialised in employment law and criminal law!