Haha, I no need to enter your distracting game, Enough to illustrate Soviet didn’t win the war. So what do you think soviet achieved in order to justify your term of “win” after 10 years of war marked by many lives and resources spent and finally a withdraw?

Why would Soviet Install a puppet to begin with? think about Afghan history with its next door neighbor. infact even go back to 19 th century Russian help was there against defeating british. now draw conclusion.

Very interesting to see how you change color so swift, Now time to play US card and abandoning Russian one? You seem to forget US is nicknamed World police, so I think many countries will credit their achievements to yanks by your terms. Y must we to calculate your “the other way around” when Yanks are so happy in this capacity?

I dont change color. i do logical discussion. We are discussing Cold War period. US has to made compromises. It has nothing to do with present day reality.

Plain BS as usual.

Soviet won the Afghanistan？！ Your joke makes my day you know. You run pages by pages just want to tell people this? Why must China attack Taiwan when the latter has hundreds of billions USD investment in China, and people from Taiwan are visiting, living in mainland in millions? Furthermore, Taiwan’s current constitution still recognizes Taiwan is just one province of China and most countries in the world recognize Taiwan is part of China? You must think Chinese’s IQ is as low as you thus you keep playing such nonsense mental game.

By the way, I’m NOT going to bash Russia no matter how u the Idi$t stir up the inflaming using Russia as your cover up in order to bash china, a low class trick Chinese feel it beneath their dignity to do such:rolleyes:

so who won in afghanistan? explain it. and how is that Taiwanese money? Taiwan got free intellectual knowledge from United states and build products for US firms for decades. and not only that United States protection for past 50 years form communist that is the reason for that wealth. It seems Taiwan owes alot to US than China.
u give logical answer to this question.

It does. Because of USA, a break to the so called super power back into the reality.

reality what reality? Russia raise price all of sudden 5 times for Gas in past 2 years and locked it into yearly contracts without regard to market conditions. U dont have a clue of Oil and Gas opec emerging from Central Asia to Middleast , North Africa to Latin america. u just stay tune for the end game.:D

Nothing to be proud of, outflow even that and there is no real surplus. Only selling oil make money.

that is net inflow after deducting out flow.

Expensive in real estate is just bubble create by those business man, who want to get hold a piece of money making opportunity. They pull up the price skyrise, but actual worth much less than that. It does not equal to their economy level.
Pulling up to the US level don’t automatically make you better. USA is the one who own most of the science patents and they produce wealth. Russia? Just using leftover from Soviet.

real estate bubble? have u studied Russian system?
US is the place where the most immigrants are collected and most of patents are commerical low end. It is not a single ethinc power. Russia can also build cities and provied free Gas, electricity and above all Water and collect all world top immigrants but it chose not to do so.

Then, all those big firms like Microsoft, SUN, Motorola, are a joke since they were the one forming R&D in Taiwan, China, Singapore etc. Comparing to these companies, Russia’s company are just tiny poh poh and totally a joke.
No matter how many Nobel prize you keep mentioned, if you cannot put that into practical use, it is just useless.

and these firms know that most of Professors in these Universities have US education so there students follow the same. these countries have zero contribution to science on there own.

That cheap result already competitive in the world market, much better than yours.
Man, you are still living in the Soviet glory day, keep dreaming back to the old day. I am sure you will be disappointed, that day will not come back again.

I am sure ur living in full paradise. Countries does not become super powers based on making cheap house hold stuff. U need bombers with hypersonic missiles, very highy level of intellectual power, econonomic independence, control of pipelines, trade routes, natural resources, bases, and above all spine to support friendly governments with long range avaition and airborne troops. Russia just granted to India Brahmos follow on with Mach 6 speed. imagine what they are preparing for themselves.

Wow, you are still live in the cold war era and the boom day of soviet, not any more man.
This is already a polar world, no one give a damn to self-called leader.
Only one super power/ leader left, that is USA.

US is Super Power for East Asia which it controls.
It has nothing to do with Russia.

SOCHI. Jan 24 (Interfax-AVN) – Russia will not allow anyone to show its place in the world and will seek to ensure a balanced world order, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said
There is a widely held opinion that monopoly is always bad,” Putin said. “But it is good in one case – when this monopoly is yours,” he said

A trade surplus not just mess market, but from other sectors like service, outsource etc.
In the case of Russia, the trade surplus only come from digging oil.

so do u think there is no service sector in Russia. they have $42B capital inflow.

Yeah, a reputation that only produces junkies that’s why no market for their products.
An expensive cities does not mean achievement in economy, it just show how un-balance with their economy, and flaw with their economy system.

how can expensive real estate is flaw in system? they produce science like US. how many LCD TVs US makes? Russia still makes its own and under its own brand and intellectual property not some foreign assembly. they are expensive they dont the quantity of labor like overpopulated countries in Asia.

Forming R&D in China, Taiwan, Singapore etc, telling you what level they are up to. Many of these universities are already formed by the local govn’t, Russia is just started with the help of foreign firms.

the level of R&D they are doing is joke. show me how many Nobel prize winners they had produced and from where there Prof got Phds? russis is just opening up.

http://eetimes.eu/research/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=195800016
11/22/2006 11:58 AM
LONDON — While until recently some 250 Siberian research institutes were out of bounds to foreigners, a project is enabling scientists from the EU and Russia to collaborate freely in information and communications Technology (ICT) research.

“The federal district of Sibirsky – part of Siberia – is home to some 66,400 researchers. Yet when our project began in July 2004, there was little contact between them and the EU,” says Petra Reiter of the European Commission’s Information Society Technologies (IST) SITE research project.

Came much later but show much better result than yours, show how imcompetitive and slowness of your belove.

not much better results but cheap results. obviously u cannot compete with lower cost product in terms of quantity no matter how inferior it is.

Current Russia war? To Afghanistan 15-20 years ago? Man, they were beaten badly with high attrition rate and at the end, they had to withdrew from there. USA is much, much better doing this job.

how is US doing much better job? Is Russia,EU and the whole Islamic world supporting the resistence directly with Active Training camps. US hasnt fought that kind of war so comparision is moot point. and any way Russia spent 10 years in Afghanistan with full control. after that they supported the government for 3 years and after that there was 4 years northern alliance government which was again Moscow allies. so it is 18 years of successful policy of preventing Islaimic extremism from spilling into Central Asia. and its handsomely rewarded today by there strong foot hold.

I already told you.

what?

This is highly globalization world now. Country A depends on Country B, while also happen the other way around. Whoever within this group, producing WIN-WIN situation.
Whoever not in this group, just being isolated and in result become a loser.

the point is not isolation. the point is to create Leadership position and use that to squeeze others.

There is a hugh surplus trading for China to the US, and this trend is keep going up. So, there must be some voices, I don’t blame them.
A 26.55 Russia Ruble exchange to 1 USD, but there is no voices concern from US, because it is irrelevant. Their products can’t compete, and no much trade surplus.
I don’t blame them.

there products arent meant for mass market nor US capable of complaining. US can only squeeze those where it has leverage.

Immigrants to foreign and formed successful business and contribute to the immigrant country, but not to the motherland. A research program or center is just a usual business procedure, that carry out to many countries, Taiwan, China, Singapore, and may others are among them.

nope u havent understand that point. Russia has so high reputation that they can not only produce for the rest of the world but also in house. thats why they have the world most expensive cities not withstanding the large size.

Even no Russia, these gigantic firms were already successful in their days. Your sounded like if no Russia, these firm were bankrupt and cannot survive in the future, what a joke.
Gates already form R&D center (NOT PROPOSED) in China, Taiwan etc. So Microsoft future survival is depended on China and Taiwan? What a joke.

Here we are nto talking about R&D center that every multinational has in every corner of the world. It is too create a University that will create future researchers for foreign countries in English language as those countries are not capable of producing what Software giants want in much higher level of complexity.

What so hype about it? Just a usual marketing boost by a small tiny firm trying to stay alive.
China already has dozens of these companies competing in the global market. No need to be hype. Volume speaks itself.
Here is one of the many.

Chinese companies came much later after obsorbing some one else tech.

Cheapness of the products? Lol.

Its Russia selling minerals, not Taiwan. AT least Taiwan is selling finished goods, not something you dig up from the earth. There is no skill, there is no workmanship, there is no science, no marketing, no expertise in the selling of ore and oil, just the science to find them and dig it up, mostly from Western sources anyway.

No skill. thats why the whole world R&D is in Russia. Just read what Indian Prime Minister has to say. Taiwan do things what US multinationals wants from them.

Taiwan is an IT giant. The great majority of free play foundry market is dominated by Taiwan, and the rest remaining to Singapore and China. Manufacturing low volume chips at a low cost, means a very low defect rate, which means a very high level of quality production. It also means a fantatastic process of getting a design into silicone. Taiwan dominates in laptop production, dominates in motherboard and graphics board production, including the chipsets. nVidia and ATI all manufacture in Taiwan, and half of their RD is also there too. Lets not talk about motherboard chipsets, with VIA and SiS, the latter who just introduced their own PDA phone.

Taiwan and IT Giant?. Just show me how many World level Phd it is producing. TSMC is just a foundry not a R&D center. whose Founder worked for decades for Texas Instruments. and CEO worked for HP. and got educated there. It is like servicing former bosses.

And dont give me that b*l**** Mikron stuff. Check Mikron’s market share on freeplay prodution versus a company like TSMC.

so market share determines Science? A-380 has less market share than A-320. F-22 has less than F-16.

You must be joking. Japan/China and countries nearby (Taiwan, S. Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore), in terms of capital, in terms of GDP, in terms of savings and liquidity, in terms of foreign reserves, represent the wealthiest corner of the world.

Roughly
China – over 1 trillion (1066 billion)
Japan – 895 billion
Taiwan – over 266 billion
S. Korea – over 239 billion
Hong Kong – over 133 billion
Singapore – over 137 billion

wealthiest interms of paper money not in terms of Science. Show me how many Nobel Prize winner per year this corner is producing?. who got the Top Math prize just last year. which was called the break through of the century. these are assembly line countries . they dont have anything of there own.
Even if these countries are trading among themselves they depends upon US for protection all the way to Middleast Oil and natural resources. and US can close down the trade among any of them. ever thought if these countries deal with Russia natural resources and that day is not far away. without US protection after World War II. Soviet Union would have turn all this Pacific rim into Communist bloc by force. without US protection. Soviet Union would have taken all the Middleast Oil and there would nothing left for Asian consumer. even today that threat is there as all these dictators are visiting Moscow.
US has been very generaous to East Asia and protector of past half century.

Smart for China that it never used up all its resource just to make weapons. Instead, they alter their system to build up their economy first, and their secondary role is build up their defense from a small percentage of their wealth.

the bottom line is Russia much stronger at the end with its powerful Nuclear Force and first and second strike ability with wide dispersion. better airdefence and early warning system.U dont have anything. thats why u cannot solve taiwan or anyother issue.

Huh? What are you talking? Man, you are just full of these non-senses as usual.

how is that nonsense.

The point is China obtained these knowledge to build up its infrastructure from scratch is not free. They bought all these equipments, send students to the west, hire scientists and engineers from foreign or internally, all these buildup have to pay. The west earns money from it.
Sure, Soviet’s debt level is not higher than Japan. But, the problem is Soviet does not have money or economy level to pay back its debt while Japan is the most wealth country that can pay its debt easily.
Only recently, Russia has to dig its oil resource to pay back part of its debt.

Russia already paid not ony its debt but also of all the 15 republics. Japan cannot pay its own debt. Japan and China have yet to stand on there own feet. they need US market, education, research and protection for stable supply of natural resources.

Hey, aren’t you regarded as one of the best Google man?
There are dozens of pages over there, go and check it out.

there is nothing to find. accept cheaper version of already existing stuff.

When did Israel become your belove Soviet or Russia?
We are talking about the country SOVIET or RUSSIA, not IMMIGRANTS .
Man you are full of false logic and ridiculous statements.

they point. these people got USSR education that was built by Russia. and that science is there contribution to materai wealth of the west. ever thought about intangibles.

It does not help just to make one or two fields, no contribution to mankind. But overall industries is just legging the west decades. They don’t have science as borrow from your word.

one or two fields. u name it is there. starting from world biggest firms. Sun was among the first firms that went to Russia in 1990. Infact what Bill Gates from Russia is quiet embrassing for other third world countries.

“This is a breakthrough for the entire telecommunications industry; the significance of this innovation is difficult to overestimate,” said YS Kim, telecommunications director for Samsung Electronics Russia. “Our new solution, developed in partnership with i-Free, opens new horizons for both our subscribers and our company. We are positive that our continued partnership with i-Free will further consolidate consumers’ loyalty to the Samsung brand.”
The new Java browser is based on the Sapphire technology, developed by i-Free, providing the groundwork for powerful integrated Java solutions catering to the needs of every customer bracket: phone manufacturers, operators, media companies, and others. Creating portals for manufacturers is now a priority line of business for i-Free.
The first Samsung E900 phones with embedded Java browsers for the Samsung Fun Club portal are slated to go on the Russian market later in July.

this damn funny. how India can contribute. new engine, radar, weopons designs are already frozen.

http://www.kommersant.com/p737109/r_1/visit_India_Vladimir_Putin/
The last remaining intrigue is that of the fifth-generation fighter jet. Before a meeting between Putin and members of the Indian and Russian business community, I asked Sukhoi head Mikhail Pogosyan why he needed outsiders for the project and how much money they would give. That seemed to be the main question for the Russians.

“Think about people who establish families,” he said, speaking quickly. “You ask them how much money they are investing in their family. And they don’t answer, of course, because the have no agreement on paper.”

It follows that that should be applied to the fifth-generation fighter. And journalists are going to through it, his baby, out with the bathwater by asking too many questions about it.

“There are no agreements! And still they ask them! You shouldn’t butt into their lives!” Pogosyan exclaimed.

Then he settled down a little and explained that the details of the deal, which will probably be concluded before the end of the year, remain unclear. But the use of money from the Indian debt in the project is being considered.

“The main thing is that it is already clear which Russians the Indians will work with,” Pogosyan added. “They had said that MiG could participate.”

So it is completely understood that the Indians will make the fighter with Pogosyan’s company.

Rosoboronexport’s Chemezov confirmed Pogosyan’s statement a few minutes later and finally explained why Russia needs the Indians in the deal.

“It works out very difficultly financially for us to do this alone,” Chemezov admitted. “It is simpler for us to invite a partner in. And India, to be honest, suits us better than all the rest. They are our friends, in the sense of better friends than the others. Including that we don’t expect anything unpleasant from them in the future.”

Then Chemezov said slowly, “The Tors have been shipped to Iran.”

He said that the installations were delivered to that country in the last two months of last year. Apparently Rosoboronexport considered the operation a big success. Never mind that Russia has been fewer friends now than before or that U.S. sanctions against Rosoboronexport are unlikely to be cancelled for a long time to come now. Not only that, a high-placed U.S. State Department source said that new sanctions could be placed on Rosoboronexport. That inspires laughter among high-placed Russians. You can’t impose the same sanctions on the same company twice, they say.

Indian businessmen were eager at their meeting with Putin. One of them admitted that the most tempting items they had for Russia were “plastic products.” He said that after noting critically that they main trade items between Russia and India were hydrocarbons and weapons.

Putin responded with the suggestion that India become more involved in the market for raw diamonds. “We just canceled quotas on unprocessed diamonds,” the Russian president noted. “In that connection, we will welcome direct contracts between foreign companies and ALROSA.”

The Indian businessmen seem not to have comprehended the president’s generosity. All their decisiveness went into the fifth-generation fighter jet. A high-placed source in the Russian Defense Ministry told Kommersant late yesterday evening that the Indians thought for a long time before agreeing to work with Sukhoi instead of MiG. It took them three years. Finally, Russian negotiators told them that Sukhoi would have its first fifth-generation plane off the ground in 2009 and they had to run to jump on the bandwagon. “Even so that plane will cost us something like $4 billion,” the source said. “And financial aid is really needed.”

The source said that the fifth-generation fighter could only be created today in Russia or the U.S. Europe, the EADS concern, could do it too, theoretically, but “it is not capable of organizing it.”

That means the family needs a prenuptial agreement in case of divorce.