No doubt, but the Indian experience with composites is more comprehensive, since the airframe structure is 45% by weight composite and DRDO cooperated with several of the worlds leading composite manufacturing houses to develop proprietary tech for the LCA, from Alenia to BAe. In fact, Fedorov when he visited HAL remarked that India could contribute composite tech. to improved variants of the MKI, as it was something HAL was further at than the Russian side. Today, the IAF is using composite structures to refit its MiG-29s, reducing weight and improving performance. Airbus actually went and purchased the Autolay software developed for the LCA for its programs. So whilst there is little doubt that in several areas, the Russians are ahead of India in composites (for eg missile radomes)- the Indian side could still contribute a fair bit in production methodologies and composite structures for aircraft.

Indian experiance comprehensive? It hast been proven that 45% composite of a single LCA. Russia has already implemented composites in its Civilian airlines from latest Tupoleve to Illysian to Mil Helicopters. Infact they have went all the way and implemented in aircraft engines. and most of world aerospace firms has Research centers in Russia.
http://www.viam.ru/

I doubt whether the PAK-FA is really that complete. They want a prototype to fly by 2009-10, which will mostly be a subsystem testbed, for engines and the like. The rest will come thereafter.

Interms of contracts for FBW, Engine, Radar, Materials., Weopons, Optotronics, EW. Radar deign freeze is achieved in dec 2005. Engine design freeze just recently. I am not referring to AL-41F1.

What the Brahmos model basically did was to create an independent firm, free of Govt’al bureaucracy and restrictions that could also draw on existing resources from DRDO and Russia’s Yakhont developers. Its basically more flexible, in terms of decision making and internal alignment. So it could be possible for the PAK-FA, but its too early to tell.

Neither Brahmos nor MKI model can be applied here.
both are already obsolete by Russian standards.(Read Su-34/MIG-31M/MIG-35) Those models were established when most of Russian industries were either closed or obsolete or wanting excessive funds to start. so better to do these things from outside. Weight/RCS reduction in Su-35 has already been implemented and it is to fly in next few months. but there is no indication yet of India implementing anything on that scale for MKI. infact i havent seen any computer contribution to even MIG-29K which started in 2004.
India decision making is already slow and add to that slow implementation that make any technological contribution meaningless to begin with.

My point is that the definition of fighter generations by technologies or capabilities is CRAP! Not more not less. The F-35 isn’t designed to be a super AA fighter, but the aircraft will feature a comprehensive range of very advanced sensors and full stealth. It will be more flexible than the F-22 and its costs might fall way below the F-22 once full production has begun.

The point is PAK-FA is multifunctional fighter from Ground up. according to project chief Dividenko. and Unified missile complex is already developing air to ground missile that i mentioned. so there is no necessity of creating another fighter bomber. I dont know enough about F-22 air to ground capability. so i dont know about the need of F-35. F-35 will only be cheapr than F-22 if more than 183 F-35 are produced.
Missile fired from high speed, high altitude, high acceleration heavy twin jet has totally different capability and supercruise for extended period of time gives further capability and protection. fighter prices are going up anyway with enhancement so no point in investing single engine with limited growth potential.

You are clueless about what the reality is since you still living in the na na land of Soviet day. That reality is the broken of the myth of so called superpower into pieces.
Russia raised their own oil price because their price is still under others, and their cost of operation keep going up. Inflation causes them no choice but to raise the price.
And you think that producing oil and gas let Russia can control the world? And back to super power status? You must be dreaming.

surely i am dreaming. Only throught OIL and GAS a country can become a Super Power. because it determines the reserve currency of the world. Russia has started Oil and Gas exhange. soon Central Asia, Middleast, North Africa latin america is going to join the fun. allready more than 50% of EU energy supplies is controlled by Russia and Russia supported countries. Russia will provide the same protection to those governments . thats why Russia bomber fleet with hypersonic missiles is the first in line of modernization. inflation is due to high monetary growth to curb rise of ruble.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070126/59735451.html
The West is especially worried about Russia’s intention to set up a global gas cartel comprising Algeria, Qatar, Libya, Central Asia and Iran.

I was talking about other outflows and to the entire economy in overall. Not much trade surplus if no oil and gas export.

I have already point net capital inflows.

You know US consists of many immigrants? There are many successful companies formed by these immigrants, Russian immigrant just a minor one in many groups. All these successful operations are done in the US and credit is belong/ contribution to the whole country call USA, not to a single ethnic.
A successful of one particular Russian immigrant in the USA does not contribute anything to the motherland, and won’t make it become a self-called super power again.
You are just keep posting jokes, man. Free electricity, free water, free gas only collects homeless, not top immigrants. Get real, will ya?

there 12 million illegals in Russia. get the real picture. there economy is not that documented. i am sure if they continue to practice free market economy. many more millions will come. all ready they are talk of bringing more 25 million from other republics.
US is dominated by white. so how u say it does not.

Fortunate enough these professors are educated in US, not in Russia.

thats what i am saying all along. Asia has yet to stand on its own Feet. EU have there own Feets and Russia has 4 feets because of Leadership in various areas.

Yes, I am living in North America where everyone (including the Russian immigrants) agrees this is a paradise. This land does not need to offer free gas, free electricity, free water, in order to collect top immigrants.
China never called itself as a superpower, and never intended to be a superpower, all they want is to keep develop and produce wealth to their citizens.
Only you are keep dreaming back to the old Soviet day and really wanted to become a superpower again.
Keep dreaming forever, it won’t happen again.

offcourse u need free market economy to collect immigrants. otherwise what these immigrants will do just collect walfare.

Very fortunate that Russia government and its citizens do not agree with you. They don’t want to go back to a cold war Soviet era which used up all resources just to build its military might. At the end the entire country broke into many pieces.
You want Russia to repeat the history and another round of breaking again?
Do not need to so proud of some weapon system, they are just a leftover from Soviet. Russia is just continued to complete the project with the financial help from India. If not India funding, this is already gone in na na land.
Besides, a small island like Taiwan already developed on their own supersonic missile, called HF-3. They don’t need outside financing, and they don’t call themselves a superpower. Do you get the difference?

how u know what russian government thinks. do u think they are stupid to repeat history.
No one creates SuperPowers the old way. u create a new one in a different way. U make whole world dependent on you. u create monopolies and use it as a leverage. Taiwan is even worse than North Korea. evey thing is from outside. and Taiwan cannot become a SuperPower. U need alot spine for that. when Soviet Union invaded afghanistan. It was against the wishes of US/EU/Asia/Middleast. basically the whole wold was against them and embargo them but still they were persistence in what they seem right and Time has proven them right. do u think countries become superpowers by makeing motherboards/mp3/PDAs/textiles/calculators and u cannot make decent one on on ur own intellectual property. Countries understand and respect the scientific and intellectual capacity of creating new power. Asia does not have this. It does not even have in house hold goods.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Putin_vows_to_help_India_get_NSG_waiver/articleshow/1461652.cms
Stating that Russia remains “indispensable to the core of Indian foreign policy”, Singh said discussions with Putin were extremely useful and productive and confirmed once again that “our strategic partnership is based on deep convergence of vital national interests”. Earlier, the PM broke protocol — yet again — to greet Putin at the airport, setting the tone for the visit

I am just not sold on single engine fifth generation fighter. 5th generation by definition is expensive thing.
first stealth design, Internal Carriage, TVC. Now to reduce weight u have to use expensive materials and manufacturing. otherwise it will be overwight.
very expensive avionics. and it needs Supercruise otherwise u have to put massive fuel to make it acceptable ranges.

There’s a route call Silk road, the main way, China export expertise and skill and goods to the then backward western countries

so there is direct relationship between Western Industrial revolution and Chinese sending goods.:rolleyes:

Here comes it again, you see paper and gun powder are invented by Chinese, Western powers use these two basic items to conquer the world, so must their achievements no matter how they advanced now, must credit to Chinese, because they learn from Chinese so they can have a humble start.

so Western Workers got trained and educated in Chinese factories for decades to learn paper and powder.
u are confusing complex stuff with simple.

But what China or Taiwan achieved in cold war period? when most of their achievements are done in post cold war period! but you are talking Taiwan’s most achievements after cold war has to be credited more to US even after US withdrawed its physical military presentation in Taiwan strait. What logic are you talking?

TSMC was founded in 1987. Its founders and CEO worked and educated before that in US. I am sure there millions more like them who benefited. the foundation of Taiwan was laid down in Cold war period. Infact US was pretty down by end of Cold war. Japan was the rising sun. so it is pretty obvious US gave alot to East Asia.