my point is that neither you nor I can prove that the russians dont subscribe to the concept of supercruise !! Atleast on face value they do subscribe to it as is evident from the PAKFA . That leaves the other dominant 4.5,5th gen force and that is the Europeans who also subscribe to the concept of Supercruise . That makes 3 out of 3 of the top aviation industries and Military structures of the world and leaves only you on the other side of the fence 😉

Supercruise is more of byproduct of powerful engines in non-afterburning thrust and efficient aerodynamics. it is not an objective. u can see how much armour they put on Su-34 and that is the only new fighter they budgeted untill 2015. and u need Supercruise for bomber which carry heavier air to ground weopons. for fighter with multiple racks for lighter AAMs and external fuel tanks can compensate for supercruise.

I wonder no one has posted any thing about this system. they now claim passive attack ability with S-300 missiles independent of radar locations.

Russia fielding metric-wave anti-stealth radar.(EUROPEAN REPORT). Jerzy Gruszczynski.
Journal of Electronic Defense 27.3 (March 2004): p21(1).
Along with the S-400, the 55Zh6-1 Nebo-U radar sets are also to be fielded this year. The radar was developed by NNIIRT [Nizhnonovgorod’s Rsearch and Development Institute of Radio Technology] (Nizhny Novgorod, Russia) and has the distinction of probably being the only radar in the world with a digital phased-array antenna that works in the metric-wave band. The radar has one horizontal and one vertical antenna of large size and deeply modified Yagi-type aerials. The radar’s range is up to 600 km for targets flying between 40-75,000 m, 400 km for targets at 20,000 m, 300 km for targets at 10,000 m, and at least 65 km for targets flying at 500 m. Despite its metric wavelength, the achieved resolution is high, reportedly 400 m in distance and 0.4 degress in azimuth. The radar can rotate at speeds of 10 rpm or 20 rpm to provide 360-degree coverage. Due to its large antennas and complexity, the radar requires seven heavy trucks and trailers to transport it, and its deployment time is 22 hours. The Nebo-U radar sets are being manufactured by AOA Nitel Company (Nizhny Novogrod, Russia), which already has produced of small batch of pre-series sets.
The radar’s ability to operate accurately in the metric band makes it capable of capable of detecting and tracking stealth-type targets without a major reduction in the radar’s range. Metric radar’s main shortcoming had been its low accuracy, making them unsuitable not only for weapon control but even for precise ground-controlled intercept. The Nebo-U enables precise ground control of interceptor aircraft, with an accuracy of 1-2 km. This is theoretically fair enough for an interceptor to make visual contact with a stealth aircraft, such as a US F-117A (shown here), and shoot it down with gunfire, at least in clear daylight or on moonlit nights. Historically, dark nights have been preferable for stealth operations. Nevertheless, the Nebo-U is an interesting technological achievement and is one of a kind among radar systems currently deployed. It will be interesting to see where this technology leads.-with Jerzy Gruszczynski

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/forum/messages/4815.html
[Correspondent Yuriy Chukhin] This is the biggest exhibition of radioelectronic technology ever held in Russia
… [at] Nizhniy Novgorod…
[Vladimir Simonov, captioned as general director of the Russian Control Systems Agency, speaking at the opening ceremony] This is an unusual exhibition, because dual-purpose technology is being shown here for the first time, both military systems and their analogues adapted for civilian needs.
[Correspondent] Many items presented at the exhibition exist in a sole copy, like this radar known as Nebo-SVU and made in Nizhniy Novgorod. A heavy radar station is deployed and made ready for work in 30 minutes.
[Igor Krylov, captioned as senior researcher of the Nizhniy Novgorod Radiotechnical Institute] We are now in the control cabin of a radar station. You see two planes here [on a monitor]. They are at a distance of 200 km. The station can trace up to 200 targets at one moment and process the data automatically.
[Correspondent] The scientists proudly say that their radar can trace even the famous US Stealth fighter-bomber.
[Krylov] We can see the Stealth as clearly as any other plane.
…
Source: Russian Public TV (ORT), Moscow, in Russian 1100 gmt 3 Apr 02

I think the specification looks reasonable. compare length of AL-31 vs M-88. and J-10 nose looks bigger than rafale. even the height is more.(some one should post pictures for comparision)
only thing unknown is wing area and width. and weight should be around 10 tons assuming it is not using advance weight saving materials. (smaller F-16 is now approaching 9 tons)

and if every thing else is looks reasonable so there is no reason that it should not carry as much internal fuel as Rafale. so both are pretty close.

it is possible they just sold the technology in all those years since they have been involved in all those years. and back than it was big money per year for that plant.

Itar-Tass Jul 18, 2001

V O L G O G R A D — Chinese President Jiang Zemin, who is currently here on a familiarisation trip, is to tour the landmarks of the Hero City on the Volga on Wednesday. He will visit the Mamayev Hill and the Battle of Stalingrad panorama museum. Mr Jiang said the main purpose of his trip here is to honour the memory of the Soviet servicemen who gave their lives in the Battle of Stalingrad. It is expected that military- technical cooperation between Russia and China may be one of subjects of the Chinese President’s talks to be held here. It is not ruled out that later in the day Mr Jiang will visit the Volgograd-based Barrikada defence plant which delivers launchers to China for the Shtil anti-aircraft missile systems. This plant has been cooperating with the People’s Republic of China since 1996, a regional administration official has told Itar-Tass. It is a question of deliveries running at 10-15 million dollars a year. Mr Jiang’s trip to Volgograd may result in an increase in the scope of purchases of the plant’s output by the Chinese side. Analysts also note the fact that the Chinese President is being accompanied in the trip to Volgograd by Russian Vice-Premier Ilya Klebanov who is in charge of the defence sector.

Never heard about such a wish of the IRIAF, but the SMT (or M or OVT or whatever MiG-29) is just too short-ranged for a country the size of Iran

so F-14/F-4/Su-24 are not short ranged on internal fuel for country size of Iran. there was some thing in Nov 2003 Flight magazine about SMT wish.

Experts of the Islamic Republic of Iran’s Air Force have managed to manufacture a chamber [Persian: mahfazeh] for testing engines of MiG-29 aircraft. The chamber was successfully tested at the Tabriz 2nd fighter base in the presence of Air Force chief [Brig-Gen Seyyed Reza Pardis].

During the ceremony, a Mig-29 aircraft following the overhaul of its engine at the Tabriz air base, took to the air.

Source: Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 1630 gmt 1 Sep 03

Strange logic to stay polite. To “discredit” an ideology as a larger objective?!
The system in the SU did not survive its related war for long, when the USA did and does still to day.

but the resistence in the name islam didnot succeed either. infact surrounding countries took an object lesson from it never to follow it nor they followed democracy.

There are no “ifs” in real life. Even before Afghanistan, the SU and the WP were in serious economic troubles related to the system. Afghanistan “served” as an accellerator in some way.

If u understood the question u would not have given this kind of answer. i only ask about the result of particular wars in terms of objectives achieved. nothing to do with economics.