1 division=1battllion=1 battery is the same thing for export.

Russia & CIS Business and Financial Newswire (Oct 9, 2006):
CHINA AND VIETNAM TO BUY MORE FAVORIT MISSILE SYSTEMS

Russia is to supply an additional eight Russian-made S-300PMU2 Favorit air defense missile system batteries, said Vladislav Menshikov, general director of the Almaz-Antei air defense concern, the maker of the weapon.

“We are fulfilling a contract to deliver eight batteries of S-300PMU2 Favorit missile systems to China, after which we’ll switch to another contract of the same size that came into force recently,” Menshikov told Interfax-AVN at the Defendory International -2006 weapons show in Greece.

Asked about the contract to supply S-300 missile systems to Vietnam, Menshikov said that the contract had been fulfilled. “Vietnam wants to buy more and we are in talks with its representatives,” he said.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30899&page=1&highlight=s-300pmu-2

if u follow this thread. even battlion is different from contract to contract.

This is in addition the the 9 systems allready sold correct ?? Or have they bought more ?

a simple babelfish will help.

Russian weapon does not lose its attractiveness for inozakazchika. As stated the general director of concern PVO – AIR DEFENSE “diamond -Ante1” Vladislav men’shchikov, entered the force additional supply agreement to China of the eight additional battalions of the zenith rocket systems (ZRS) of S -300PMU2 “favorite”. As noted the general director Of interfaks-AVN, at present concern carries out supply agreement into China of eight battalions of zenith rocket systems S -300PMU2 “favorite”. After this, the enterprise will approach the fulfillment one additional the same by the volume of the contract, which recently entered the force. Vladislav men’shchikov emphasized that there are no fundamental problems with the Chinese contracts. All obligations before the customer are carried out in time and with the high quality. One additional example of this – supply agreement ZRS S -300PMU1 into Vietnam. This contract is already completely executed, and Vietnam is interested in the additional purchase of our systems. The negotiations now are conducted on this. Zenith rocket system S -300PMU2 “favorite” is further development of well known in Russia and abroad ZRS S -300PMU1. Basic special feature of system – ability to assuredly strike ballistic targets via the undermining of warhead directly at the interception point. It is also important, that in the “favorite” to 200 km is extended the lethal area with the work on the aerodynamic purposes. According to the estimation of specialists, new Russian zenith rocket system on the majority of the parameters exceeds foreign analogs, including American “Patriot”. “favorite” has one and a half times the long range of action, than the system S -300PMU1, which now find in arsenal of Russian army and armies of a number of the foreign countries. Important special feature ZRS “favorite” is the fact that it easily is integrated into different air defense systems of the foreign countries. “favorite” is capable to strike aerial targets at the distances from 3 to 200 km in the range of heights from 0,01 to 27 km, including ballistic missiles with the launching range to 1.000 km by the physical destruction of warheads at the distances to 40 km the speed of the beaten purposes – to 2.800 m/s. ZRS is capable of conducting simultaneous firing to six purposes with the guidance to two rockets to each target. Rate of fire 3 – 5 s. Let us recall that the concern OF PVO – AIR DEFENSE “diamond -Ante1” became the most important company of Russia by the volumes of the production of the defense production in 2005. The volume of sales was 45 billion rubles by the holding of the production of military designation. Concern conducts scale works on the creation of the weapon systems of new generation, in particular zenith rocket system S -400.

To be truthful, China is the real key to the peace and stability of the world community. If China and India were to set aside their differences and learn to coexist, we could all make some real progress towards a joint resolution of the last serious problem in the world: militant Islam. All it takes is for China and India to sit down over some curry and Tsing Tao and we’re in business.

US has enough power to defeat militant islam on its own. it does not need China/India/EU. with USN it can pretty much embargo the middleast/south asia combine.

Good to read, when you are serious about your statement including the J-10. None claimed that the J-10 is direct copy of the IAI Lavi.

alteast MIG-23MLD is implying that J-10 is copy of Lavi.

By the way just another case of evidence, none disputed the visits from Pakastini engineers to the Chinese aviation industry to learn some details about new Chinese fighters. The other way around every Pakistani disputed, that Chinese engineers may have visited the PAF installations to learn some of the “secrets/technology” related to the F-16 f.e..

by that logic China should have built Su-27 by itself without resorting to license by merely looking at it for years. if Su-27 license without engine is $2.5B. so how much will be Lavi with unlimited quantity and more advanced design (80s vs 70s) as mention.

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MTOW for Block 60s is ~22,7 tons and the wing-load 810 kg/qm.

i dont know from where this figure come from. LM only has standard USAF block 50 on its website. not even the advance block 50 or the two seaters.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=15053&rsbci=11171&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400
Stores Carriage Capability
The current Block 50 F-16 can carry up to 22,000 pounds of weapons, electronic countermeasures, sensor pods, and external fuel tanks on 11 store stations. With full internal fuel, it carries more than 15,500 pounds of external stores at its maximum takeoff gross weight. The Block 60 version will have an even larger load capacity

For 90% of all missions the usefull weaponsload does not exceed 2 tons.

provided that 90% of missions are done by very large airforce who have thousands of aircraft to carry out it so aircrafts are not stressed. smaller airforce is different matter.

So you have no problem to explain, why India buys more MiG-29s.

because it will be cheaper to buy and they already had very cheaply from SU times. u havent provide data that Gripen or Lavi will be cheaper than F-16.

By the ways you have no problems to mix different weight fighters for what purpose?!

u started that Lavi is some wonder single engine fighter that provide capability that is already not present at that time for lesser cost
i doubt it can even surpass M2K.

In 1986 there was no SMR-95 available from the SU. Despite that small detail it did not deliver the required thrust-level for the Lavi.

it wasnt present even in 90s. untill they made for Mirage. MIG even needed small amount of money to survive.

I see, the Gripen was built with US-money, was it?!

wasnt arrow built with US money.
do u serioulsy think US seriously needs that small amount of money from engines so Swedes and India can have there own fighters but not Israel.

Your running gag, don’t bother someone with data or details!!!!!

when ur not understaning the whole thing so no point in providing the data.

What overweight do you mean?! Give data.

compare F-16C engine to Gripen, load capacity of individual weopon stations and internal fuel.

What engine to buy in 1986 with US-taxpayers money?!

why they have to buy US engine with US money. If there product is good they can sell it and make money out of it and continue development. by mid 80s Israel was powerful enough to defend its existence and Soviet Union was poor to support any arab adventure against them exceopt for free weopons to Egypt.

Like the Gulfstream aircraft and the US-funded elements of the Phalcon-system f.e.

like IL-76

If I remember well, Israel had to ask the USA for a ‘yes’ about export of the Phalcon-system to India f.e.

anything that Israel sells to India alteast US is asked or inform. because US has certain interest in stability of that region.

6 Erieyes can provide Pakistan with 24/7 coverage asuming 2 up in the air contstantly.

24/7 coverage on what area? It can hardly look 200km inside India assuming its a little far away from border for its own safety. It cannot detect what is happening at 500km or 1000km where MKI with Air-refuellers will be preparing a mission. at 200km range ur just about ready to launch standoff weopons. MKI+IL-78 is totally different thing than any other single engine fighter with air-refueller. it give flexiblity and safety to mission.

2 for the entire country on a 24 hours basis can be down in war.

thats assuming that they dont have ground based radars and fighter radars which supplement AWACS.

Add to this Chinese AWACs and rest assured, an “aggresive” posture can be adopted with that many resources.

A non-stealthy F-16 with JDAMs is a sitting duck even for BVR equiped MIG-21. u can only use short range JDAMs either with stealth aircraft or have full air superiority over hostile airspace.

IL-76 is a four engined turbofan powered cargo aircraft from former USSR.

these are completely new IL-76 with PS-90. and anyway IAF already have IL-76 in its inventory for transport and refuelling. so they have the experiance and infrastructure to maintain and fly them properly unlike some thing new like SAAB-2000.

SAAB 2000 is a western turbo prop civilian aircraft.

Guess which will be easier to maintain and get higher sortie rates.

it hasnt been proven yet.

interesting story.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20061003/54490651.html
Buying and unlocking secrets

How did the United States finance Yefremov’s efforts to develop the Antei-2500 system? That is a good question.

The cash-strapped NPO Antei and its partner, the Russian Defense Ministry, were unable to pay their employees in due time, to say nothing of developing new weapons. But science-and-technology ideas cannot be stopped no matter what. NPO Antei experts realized full well that they had to predict the long-term development of weapons and military equipment in line with the Russian Army’s current and future requirements.

NPO Antei executives had to find money to implement new R&D projects. Excuses that the Russian authorities failed to provide adequate financing at the time would seem naive. In this seemingly hopeless situation Yefremov suggested a way out.

He ventured that the Defense Ministry and the Rosvooruzheniye state-owned arms exporter (now called Rosoboronexport) sell an S-300V SAM system to the United States. His offer was motivated by the fact that the CIA had been trying to lay its hands on the S-300V for a long time. Raytheon Company, which was upgrading the Patriot system, had to study all S-300V components in detail in order to accomplish the required objectives.

Yefremov contacted some high-ranking generals and asked them for help; but they apparently thought he was out of his mind.

At that time Moscow was trying to sell an ancient S-300-PMU system developed by rival company NPO Almaz, headed by member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Boris Bunkin, to the United States via Belarus. The local press raised a fuss in connection with the sale of Russian secrets by way of Minsk.

However, the S-300-PMU sale amounted to a skilful disinformation campaign because that system could only hit enemy aircraft. Moreover, the United States received only its control-and-guidance elements, which had been scavenged by shepherds for non-ferrous and precious metals, from the Emba testing range in Kazakhstan. But the press said nothing on this score.

China bought four battalions of the more advanced S-300-PMU-1 system from Russia, and experts said cooperation would continue. Beijing, which had begun to deploy a national air-defense system, needed several dozen more S-300-PMU-1 complexes. This meant that the Russian defense industry and other sectors would receive additional investment. However, a Russian-U.S. S-300V contract could have delayed this prospect for a long time.

A question immediately arose why the Pentagon and Beijing were buying different systems, and whether Russia had deceived China. The generals told Yefremov that the S-300V was a reserve element of Moscow’s air-defense and ABM systems, and that they could not risk divulging its secrets. They said it was impossible to allow the United States, which Moscow did not completely trust, to learn such secrets.

Yefremov tried to convince them that it would take over a decade to solve the secrets of the S-300V system’s control-and-guidance elements, and that Russia would develop an even more powerful and effective system by that time. He also said that NPO Antei, which was the only ABM weapons manufacturer, the Yekaterinburg-based Novator design bureau and affiliated enterprises would go bankrupt unless Moscow sold the S-300V system to Washington.