There is definately no proof about the existance of plasma stealth that i’m aware of .

this was more than 5 years ago.

http://www.royfc.com/news/jan/0301jan01.html
New “Stealth” ((NEVIDIMKI)) Airplanes Being Tested in Russia
In the scientists’ opinion, the use of these engineering novelties will permit the lowering of the delectability of flying apparatus by more than 100 times. The new technologies will be used in the series production of fifth generation airplanes. Examples ((OBRAZETS)) already have completed flight tests. As is being reported, the airplane’s invisibility is assured by the creation of a plasma field, which absorbs electromagnetic waves that are generated by an enemy’s means of detection, and it creates false signals about the speed and location of the protected object

As ITAR-TASS reports, the President of the state unitary enterprise “The Flying Research Center,” honored test pilot of the USSR, Hero of Russia Anatoliy Kvochur, who has been piloting the fifth generation MiG fighter has taken part in the experimental flights.

(The) new multirole fighter airplanes possess ((SIC)) high maneuverability and stealth. The latter is assured by creation of a plasma field, which absorbs electromagnetic waves which are generated by an enemy’s means of detection, and it creates false signals about the speed and location of the protected airplane.

Source: 05.01.01, TS-VPK / MIGnews.com

how can u expect a twin engine fifth generation fighter without these cheap technologies.

In 2005, answering a question for the British magazine Flight International ((in English)), the chief designer of the Sukhoy design bureau, Aleksandr Knyshev, declared that he would not object to a budget of 10 billion dollars allocated b the Americans for the similar F-35 (JFS) ((sic, in English)) program, but really he is counting on 3 billion. Thus, at the planned market cost of the Russian airplane at 30 – 35 million dollars (at 5 – 10 million less than the F-35 has), investments in the program will be repaid with the production of a series of not fewer than 100 aircraft, which is fully realistic, considering the high competitiveness of the Su brand of fighters.

Source: 31.03.06, Vzglyad, Correspondent: Gennadiy Nechaev

Then again your definition is not in line with that of the russian definition . I beleive that there are media reports that claim F-18E/F to be fifth generation ( I believe someone pointed it out a few days back in some other thread) that doesnt make it a fifth generation aircraft.

how my definition not in line with russian definition of 5th generation fighter?
It is direcet quote from commander in chief that there Su-27SM is near to 5th generation fighter and surely Su-34 surpasses it by wide margin in terms of rcs signature, jamming, weopons. they compare its signature to modern cruise missiles. and u should know russia has been testing radar evading crusie missiles like Kh-65MR.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20107&highlight=su-34
The Su-27SM features a strengthened fuselage, wing and landing gear to allow for a higher weapon load. The aircraft has received “a totally new avionics set” using systems from the Su-30MKK/MKI export models. “The Su-27SM is nearly a fifth-generation aircraft. It needs a lower signature characteristic and new weapons to be one,” Gen Mikhailov said.

there tons of reports calling it 5th generation from experts not some arm chair general.

Russia’s Air Force to Receive Fifth Generation Fighter Bomber

Russia’s air force may receive into the inventory the newest fifth generation tactical fighter bomber. The flight of the first series-built Su-34, which has no analogues in the world, took place the past weekend, our correspondent Nikita Sumerkin reports.

The first flight of the newest Su-34 lasted half an hour. According to the preliminary conclusion of the experts, the airplane exceeds even those technical requirements which the Ministry of Defense presented to the developers.

In particular, the level of this aircraft’ avionics allows considering it for fifth generation airplanes and to remain the best in its class even longer.

The Su-34 is able to destroy heavily defended targets in any weather. The attack aircraft is equipped with a large caliber cannon, self-guided missiles and bombs with an operational radius up to 250 kilometers and dog fighting missiles. Moreover, there are air-to-air missiles in the arsenal which destroy both enemy airplanes and guided missiles. The pilot have helmets for this which allow locking onto a target in a single glance.
Source: 22.12.03, Mayak

Star Austin himself presented the reports that put the Su-30MKI at 4+ and the T-50 at 4++ now you can add as much to the +’s you want and the greater the
+ signs the greater is the closeness to certain technologies of fifth generation fighter. The F-22A , F-35 , PAKFA , Mig 5th gen. fighter proposal , MCA , Chinese JXX , Japanese fifth gen. dream and others all seem to share a single common point and that is that they use extensive stealth ( not just LO here and there) and have it as a prime design goal with internal weapons and comformal sensors , with the top of the fifth gen. fighter (F-22A , PAKFA) adding the top performance when it comes to Stealth , Supercruise and manueverability and setting the benchmark in optimum fifth generation performance criteria . Now what would the next logical step be for a fifth gen. heavy strike fighter ??? Well it would definately not be a backtrack from what currently is available and back to external weapon bays and not all out 360 degree stealth therefore it would be something that includes stealth ( heavy high altitude and low altitude penetration) , long range , flexible Internal weapon bays , good cruise performance , self defence capability , Integrated avionics and comformal sensors high speed data links just to name a few . The FB-22 can be one such example I can think of off the top of my head which brings
Stealth ( better RCS reduction then even F-22A) , ordinance ( more weapons cleared with larger bays ) and long range ( upto 1500nm with 200nm supercruise or 1800nm radius as subsonic flight) etc etc but even it is largely a dream and most likely never going to be realized . The Su-34 is a very very capable aircraft and with what it is being proposed ( i think it will start to be inducted in 2009) is in many ways better then the F-15E and the F-15E will have a lot to catch up to interms of structural mods,AESA,avionics racks etc etc to compete as a platform ( notice i mention platform and not weapons system – as a weapons system the F-15E is very very competitive with the JDAM , SDB combo) however the fact still remains that the su-34 is something that is upgraded ( considerably ) over a design that is based on the flanker family and has been upgraded and refined . it is most likely in the same league of the T-50 as a 4++ generation figther as it fails to incorporate the basic design feature that all the fifth gen. fighters / fighter bombers have either in feild or in design ( f-22A , F-35 , PAKFA , mig5th gen , JXX , Japanese X, MCA et c)

Pretty much useless paragraph. how T-50 became 4++ generation fighter?
the rest are just ur believies that 5th generation fighter should be this and that. unless u can put some official opinion not speculation. stealth is not some thing constant. An Aircraft will be stealthy against 10 year old radar system but not stealthy agianst current or future one or the other side may not acknowledging it.

Ofcourse so is the LCA for the indians !!!

Russia has built thousands of fighters for decades. they can define there own generations. u have to believe just like they put 4+ for MKI.
India does not have such credientials to call any fighter 3rd, 4th or 5th generation.

The Su-34 is not a fifth generation aircraft. It is, however, a very potent strike aircraft.

They may have there own definition of 5Th generation based on certain undefeatable characteristic like 1 Su-34>12 Su-27 according to Ivanov.

The Su-34 is being looked at as one of the Russian air force’s highest priority programs. In the opinion ((of specialists)), the avionics level of this aircraft permits considering it for fifth generation combat airplanes

http://www.royfc.com/news/dec/2203dec02.html
22.12.03, Interfax-AVN

http://www.royfc.com/news/jun/2906jun01.html
As a fifth generation combat airplane, the Su-34 is integrated with ground and space support systems (for example, it can use satellite guidance for precision destruction of individual targets) and at the same time it possesses a high level of autonomous electronic and armor protection, successfully overcoming an enemy’s active fire resistance and the use by him of jamming. The unfamiliar level of comfort for Russian combat airplanes, the ability to use the whole range of aviation weaponry and ideal maneuverability complete the portrait of this aerial predator, the most formidable in the whole history of worldwide military aircraft construction.

obviously you seem to be the only one on this forum that can see russian AESA as a developed product even though russians dont have a MM Mod line ready as yet and are only taking in demo or scaled down versions of antenna on brochures and shows. MIND YOU – every one else by in large agrees with the notion that russia doesnt have an operationally ready AESA FOR FIGHTERS and the only one that disagrees with that notion is you!!!!

so do u think they will take there domestic variant to brochures and shows and will offer something for export like MIG-35 when they have not mastered its radar yet. and completely new shape variant of A-50 is entering service in near future. so if current version is PESA/Mechanical the another should be AESA as shape will be different.

Now wait a minute is the su-30NKP or whatever rubb they call it going to have AESA or even an IRBIS PESA?? Wait a minute there isnt even a report claiming that this deal is going through and that a ROP has been made by iran?? the person who posted this thread IS JUST BS and hasnt put his money where his mouth is .

where did i mention anything about this thread? it is only about ur statement of 50 aircraft profit.

Comming to profit – Russia is a pretty good sized trading partner for the US and Vice Versa and looking at the things both countries have billions at stake with each other . Boeing CEO Allan Mullally just sugned a 18 billion dollar deal with russian titanium supplier for the 787 dreamliner and also is getting into a advisory role for SUKHOI and their regional commercial aircraft. There is plenty of space cooperation and trade is growing rapidly . The Sukhoi isnt exactly broker either – they have had very good success with the flanker with orders from quite a few nations and the line is hot and in demand. Russia will have to weigh in the cons as well of this deal and in my opinion they will not go ahead with this as they have plenty else riding with the flanker and PAKFA to **** the US off at this time .

Stability in Middleast is not in Russia interest no matter how much there trade is growing with the rest of the World and kind words they say in diplomatic terms.

he only saw components of system at various places. is this represent detecting thermal signature of aircraft.

(From AP Worldstream)

Byline: JORGE RUEDA

Venezuela will install an advanced air-defense system with anti-aircraft missiles capable of shooting down approaching enemy warplanes, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Thursday.

Chavez, who has repeatedly accused the United States of plotting to overthrow him, said the missiles would help defend the oil-rich country against any “aggression.”

“We’re going to acquire the most modern anti-aircraft defense system,” Chavez said during a televised speech in the coastal state of Falcon, where military planes and newly purchased Russian helicopters swooped overhead during a military parade. “We’re going to armor Venezuela.”

He said the air defense system would protect Venezuela from its Caribbean coast to its Amazon border with Brazil. He suggested he saw components that Venezuela will buy in visits to Russia, Belarus and Iran over the past week.

“The modern systems that we saw in Russia, Belarus and Tehran detect the target at 200 kilometers (125 miles). They come with missiles that go direct, guided by the heat of the planes that come,” Chavez said. “Venezuela will be armored to defend ourselves against any aggression.”

Flush with booming oil profits, Chavez has been spending heavily on Venezuela’s

military while warning the country must be prepared in case U.S. troops one day attempt an invasion. American officials dismiss the suggestions as preposterous, though U.S. President George W. Bush calls Chavez a threat to democracy in the region.

Chavez sealed a deal last week in Russia to buy 24 Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets and 53 helicopters. Venezuelan Defense Minister Gen. Raul Baduel has said those new deals, plus the installation of factories to produce Kalashnikov rifles and ammunition, will cost on the order of US$3 billion (A2.4 billion).

The arms purchases have made Venezuela one of the top spenders on arms in Latin America and have made Russia the main supplier of weaponry to Venezuela.

Venezuela’s military already has begun receiving 100,000 Kalashnikov AK-103 rifles under a previous arms deal.

so they allready have an AESA ready according to star although he cannot provide anything to show it mounted on a fighter , being tested , hours clocked etc etc , just a newsclipping is all he needs to satisfy himslef when it comes to russian stuff however when its western stuff its a completely different story .

nope in this very forum there is report that Russia is willing to give full TOT for India MRCA contract and the specifically mentioned AESA and its official interfax report. u can easily search for it.
so how can they give AESA TOT when they dont have there own?
compared MIG-29K RCS reduction on MIG website to this one. it proves the logic that export ones have less capability than what is inside.

http://www.royfc.com/news/feb/2701feb01.html
Together with the St. Peterburg State University for Telecommunications and NVP Panatron they developed the Lak-3-10 coating from bindings that were not in short supply ((NEDEFITSITNYE SVYAZUYUSHCHIE)). In 1999, tests of a MiG-29 with the new coating showed that its detectability had decrease by 13 times.
Source: 27.02.01, Sovershenno Sekretno No. 2

and there is big time lag between Western contract and actual deliveries even for standard produciton variant.

Could you provide sources please!!

source is that MIG press release on IN MIG-29K. which clearly states 50% more fuel compared to original MIG-29. since original MIG-29 has 1500KM range u increase it by 750KM to arrive it at 2250KM. offcourse it is raw calculation which does not take it into account newer economical engines. or any weight or aerodynamics.