star49Lolz. Your own story says 100 planes with license to export for $7 B, meaning that $9 B could adequately cover 126 planes with a license to export.
When you get into a hole, stop digging. :dev2:
This is 3 year old story of M2K-5 not the M2K-9. so basically you are getting F-16MLU level aircraft for that price.
star49Yes, reports you like are substance and those that bust your BS are not without substance. Ever wonder why you were banned? This thing you are doing is called trolling.
so you put an old report and than mixed M2K-5 and M2K-9 from your earlier posts and than blame me for trolling :rolleyes:
that is price from 3 years ago.
Nov 6, 2002
From India Business InsightDassault Aviation of France has approached the Government of India with an offer of licensed Mirage 2000-5 fighter aircraft production. A 16-member delegation from Dassault made a presentation to Air Chief Marshall S Krishnaswamy in New Delhi and the Chairman of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) in Bangalore. The offer is worth seven billion dollars and is for the production of 100 aircraft and the licence to export to third country.
Dassault has planned to give 10 aircraft in working condition and the remaining 90 will be produced at the HAL factory by 2012
star49Who’s “debating” with you Yahoo? I’m a regular on this forum for 3 years when this forum changed sites many times.
You are a clown who posts nonsense and gets banned but still come back for more thrashing.
Anyway it wasn’t a ToI report it is http://www.defenceindia.com/17-feb-2k3/navy.html
It is $4 Bil 😀
Now for $9 Bil for planes alone, India can get anything it wants. Maybe you are thinking about a country that is dependent on foreign aid.
This is two year old report without any substance. Just compare the prices of Scorpene submarine now with that report it is almost double. and aircraft mentioned in M2K-V not M2K-9. Just how much Tawain paid for that 60 M2K-5 some 13 years ago. This $4B figure is complete joke.
So it does not prove any thing. India also got alot cheap stuff from a particlular country for past 40 years. Also that Groshkov is basically free or when you mix your own money with free you dont consider it as free.
star49😀
Yahoo,
You are such a joker.
India, like many other countries, buys planes and weapons separately most of the time. Many times different contractors are involved in aircrafts and weapons.
IAF has been given a $9 Billion budget for 126 planes and weapons will be paid for separately. There was a report in 2004 that Dassault was ready to provide 126 M2K-9 planes, full ToT for around that amount. The weapons deal was to be done separately with Matra and BDL. That’s how it is done most anywhere else. Even the USAF and USN buy planes and munitions separately. The USN paid $50 mil per Super hornet last year.
Even a janitor level person knows this. But you… :rolleyes:
I dont know why you keep debating with me. You are going to lose it big time.
I want to see that $9B TOT M2K9 report 😀
Dont ever try to extrapolate US services prices with export prices. this is the silliest thing you can do which you continue to do on every thread.
Just figure the F-15E price and F-15K price.
I doubt now even India can afford F-16blk52+ with all the weopons, training and parts. 😀
At the end you have to go to MIG-29 or 15 year old M2K5
star49Had I knew the answer… I won’t be here bothering you for the task man… :rolleyes:
here is some thing from Nov1998 issue of AW&ST
The United Arab Emirates has finalized the purchase of Dassault Mirage 2000-9 fighters and equipment valued at more than $6 billion, while negotiations over a contract with the U.S. for 80 Lockheed Martin Block 60 F-16s continue to be stalled.
According to UAE sources close to the deal, the Mirage buy includes:
— A fleet of 30 Dassault Aviation Mirage 2000-9 fighters, plus the retrofit of 33 Mirage 2000 SAD8s now in service to the 2000-9 standard, worth $3.2 billion.
— Thomson-CSF RDY multifunction radar equipped with upgraded air-to-ground software, along with electronic warfare countermeasures suites and other equipment worth up to $2 billion.
— Matra BAe Dynamics Mica medium-range air-to-air missiles, either the existing RF or the new infrared-guided version now in development, valued at around $700 million.
— Matra BAe Dynamics Black Shahin stand-off missiles, derived from the Scalp/Storm Shadow being developed for France and the U.K. This part of the deal, which is not yet final, is expected to be worth $1.3 billion.
star49Can you break up the figure .. as to how it will be so much.. not being pricky.. but I honestly have no idea the weapons are SO costly.. for M2K9.. :confused:
What do you think how much is the weopon cost of current 60 M2K9 which are ordered? and add to that swing in euro-$ parity in past 6 years and inflation also. you will get a very nice number for arming 126 M2K9 with similar weopons. :rolleyes: . I am not even counting arming the current 50 or so M2K India already has. and offcourse i am not mentioning like some one else who has unnamed sources which are at best at clerical level 😀
star49Star49, Cool down. It looks like ur wishful thinking that it should be Mig-29. Please keep this thread to discussion not pushing ur ideas. Looks like u are giving options to India what to buy for. 😮
i am not spelling options. just giving reality check to some one. just the weopons cost of arming new 126M2K9 will run into $4 to $5B. without those weopons it is pointless to purchase them. i am not going into weopons and upgradation for the current inventory.
star49Wait untill it actually arrives…. 😀
star49dude, the F/A 18s have just entered the bidding process. The above is what the IAF wants. If Boeing offers an attactive package for the Super Hornets then it will be a political decision to buy it.
And you are such a joker to say IAF “cannot afford” M-2K9s with a budget for $9 Billion for 126 jets or close to $75 billion per unit. Don’t they teach you some basic math at GIKI?
Either way, IAF will have about 400 jets that are better than F-16 C/D which MAY be armed with a few AMRAAMs and which may arrive if the US feels Pakistan’s cooperation is good enough to warrant it in 3-4 years time.
Sheesh. I don’t know how shameless one has to be to keep releasing BS after being banned a dozen times. :rolleyes:
How can you fit 126 M2K9 into $9B if you are considering license and new weopons for such large order?. off the shelf there is possibility. I will not even go into F-18 issue. this is completely laughable. and how you do you know about F-16C/D ability with Amraams?
i havent have dozen names that you keep repeating. one time i left because too many people flaming.
star49With this planned buy, IAF will have 60 M2Ks. The old ones can be upgraded to Dash 5 levels. I feel it is a clear signl that the IAF wants M2K-5 for the MRCA role as well. I’d prefer Rafale but the one big advantage of the M2K is that they can be integrated pronto. 130 odd MRCA M2K-5s plus the Qatari deal and upgraded existing Vajras will give IAF close to 200 M2K-5s.
Add to that around 200 Su-30 MKIs, we have the Hi and the Medium covered for the next 2 decades.
For the low end, we have the LCA and 70 odd MiG-29s.
So what happened to your theories of F-18E/F ? or they were just wet dreams. The same is true for Rafale, Gripen and F-16E.
Only older block F-16, M2K and MIG-29 are option(and there is big IF when it is going to be signed)
M2K5 at best(by the time old M2K is upgraded there will be no airframe life left behind in them). even M2K9 is more expensive than F-16E. Even M2K9 is out of option. I think at the end only MIG-29 will be left behind.
star49I have also not seen the US sell nuclear capable F-16s to nuclear proliferator nations before.
IAF buys in large numbers, that Sweden and Japan etc can only dream of and getting into the market is a big deal for US Defense Contractors. You don’t have the wherewithal to think in long-term business strategy mode.
India can afford the Super Hornet easily if it gets the tech it asks for. The joke is on you. :diablo:
Nuclear capable means they can be made if not already.
You have to prove this $75M export price of F-18E with all the TOT. only in off the shelf purchase it can be brought down but not including the weopons, training and parts.
Japan and Sweden have far less man power to take care for there defence budget. they are in much better technical and financial position.
star49Money is really not a problem for India. The stated budget for MRCA is $9 Billion. You do the math.
Money is not a problem. but India is boxed between two countries US and Russia and to certain extent France. India simply has no choice it has to make all of them happy at same time.
star49It’s $75 mil a piece at most. Your numbers are incorrect.
how you calculate $75M price? does it inlcude TOT for F414, AESA radar, AIM-120C, Production facilities, US weopons, Training etc.
I have not seen US transfer of engine or radar tech transfer to any country. at best Sweden can do is 40% F404. India cannot even afford F-16E let alone F-18E. completely laughable idea.
star49GA,
thats your theory that IAF can buy 126 F-18E/F for $9B. The price of 80 F-16E without license and almost 7 years ago is $8B.
IAF has to show alteast $15B to repeat the same feat.
star49well i think that real advantage for india will be in field of Missile defence and electronic warfare.
F-16 block60/62 and F/A-18 E/F are equiped with AESA
But will F/A-18 E/F fit in IAF’s requirment at this time is real question for IAF?{They rejected UK’s offer of EF2000 because of this reason}
If they realy want it they will have to modify their requirments as F/A-18 E/F is not a med weight fighter and is in more comparable to SU30 but with smaller RCS and range
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/comparison-f16-f18-su30-1.html
F-16 block60/62 and F/A-18 E/F are more comparble to Rafale and EF2000 both in Tec and in their ability.And F-16 block 50/52 and F/A-18 C/D can be compared to Mirage 2005MKII and MIG-29M
India cant buy F-18E. it is more expensive than there MKI. and license cost alone will drain IAF resources for a very long time to come.
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