Wow they finally introduced a 800 kg stronger version of an engine which is in service since more than 20 years. The F100 which was originally a 10.8 t thrust engine achieved that figure in the early 90s, meaning more than 15 years earlier and the thrust increase was 2.4 t.
u have serious problem in reading AL-31FM history. u can basically upgrade any flanker with it to 13.5 tons at low cost and twice the service life. Try to put late model F-16C engine into F-16A MLU.
ROFL, the russians finally upgraded their Su-27 to the standard where western fighters were upgraded 10 years before and yet you claim it’s compareable to a 5th gen fighter.
Prove the Su-27SM is lighter and has new FBW and don’t comes with “the new electronics will save 1000 tons of weight” 🙄
Why make wrong statement. In 1992 Western Fighter have no IRST and there was hardly FBW unstable twin engine fighter. Very limited fighters with Active BVR missiles. And application of HMS with high offbore sight missiles were practically nonexistent. there were only heavier CRT displays. Even EF displays from late 90s are CRT. Simply u cannot make claim that EF is second best to F-22 in performance where all it has shown untill this point is sluggishness. Even 185km radar range is here say along with its 2600km range on internal fuel.
http://www.royfc.com/news/jan/1905jan01.html
Take that upgrade into the Su-27SM variant. The aircraft lifts 8 tonnes of ammunition – air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles and guided and unguided weaponry – any missions are within its capabilities. They have strengthened the landing gear and other elements at the plant, and it, having left the enterprise, receives a life span of 12 years. Almost like a new one. And the expenses for it, in comparison with a new aircraft, are seven times less. But it, this upgraded Su-27SM, meets all the requirements of a new airplane and even, if you will excuse me, spits further than the Su-30MKK and Su-30MKI taken together. Because we put into it all the best of them. And this is the optimal variant of an upgrade.
There is more stuff about SU-27SM when engine was not fully developed to 13.5tons. Sukhoi was working on supersonice speed. No one has seen AL-31FM-1 power Su-27SM at airshow as it was delivered from 2007.
Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 1012 18 Sep 02/BBC Monitoring/© BBC
Text of report in English by Russian news agency Interfax-AVN web siteMoscow, 18 September: The Gromov flight research institute [in Zhukhovskiy, Moscow Region] has completed the first stage of tests of a new power plant with modernized enhanced-thrust engines for heavy fighters of the Su-27 Flanker and Su-30MK type, Yuriy Yeliseyev, director general of the local Salyut machine-building enterprise, said on Wednesday [18 September].
“We have got a report on the first stage of tests of the modernized power plant with AL-31F-M1 enhanced-thrust engines designed by Salyut. Results of the tests carried out by the flight research institute are positive, and all required specifications are confirmed,” Yeliseyev told Interfax-Military News Agency.
The report numbering several hundred pages says, in particular: “Results of flight tests carried out to compare and evaluate specifications of the power plant and the Su-27 plane, board number 3711, with two modified AL-31F-M1 engines, correspond to estimated figures,” Yeliseyev said. “In bringing up the fighter from a speed of 300 kph to 1,200 kph (supersonic speed) at an altitude of 11 km, we gain 26 seconds in comparison with the plane powered by regular AL-31F engines. It is a very important specification for an interceptor fighter that gives it an advantage in aerial combat,” the director general said.
Tests of the engine continue, and Salyut is “ready to carry out the rest of the work at a pace that is required to round it up in the second quarter of 2003,” he said. The modified engine has a thrust 800 kg higher than that of the regular asset, and as Su-27 and Su-30 planes have two engines, the fighter with new assets gains more than 1.5 t in thrust. Regular AL-31F engines powering Su-27 and Su-30 fighters have a thrust of 12.5 t. Modified AL-31F-M1 engines tested by the Gromov institute have reached a thrust of 13.3 t during the tests.
Salyut is Russia’s leading enterprise developing, producing and servicing gas-turbine engines. The enterprise incorporates a design bureau that develops aviation, industrial and transport power plants with gas-turbine engines.
Credit: Interfax-AVN military news agency web site, Moscow, in English 1012 18 Sep 02
This thread has turned into a bit of joke.:rolleyes:
In normal operating circumstances the typhoon is not allowed to “post stall”, ie negative velocities, much like the F-16, F-15. Maybe it can be “switched off” in test flights as it can be in the two american jets, but as many people have said; For what point?
Regarding airshow displays. When seeing an F-16, mirage 2000 they are always brilliant, the pilot is getting the maximum performance from the aircraft.
Any in service Eurofighter display, that anybody has seen, will be buy a limited FCS version. Max 8g and many more particulars. This carnt really be used as an excuse however and you can only simply put it down to one display pilot flying better than his counterpart.The Eurofighter does have better acceleration, turn and climb rates than any other fighter (bar F-22 and post stall) and its up to the display pilot how to use them!
Another point, RAF and GAF (in some cases with italian and spanish) pilots have never had a jet with so much perfomance before so it may take time until they are fully comfatble to display it an very aggressive manor. F-16s have been flying for years, and there well healed display shows it.
Watch this and you will see some very high speed, high G manouvers ; http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Eurofighter_Typhoon-Airline_EADS____WTD61_Aviation_Video-9430.html I have not seen any other plane do anything like some of those turns.
And finially a true, fully functioning FCS Typhoon, bar the 15% performance dissadvantage compared to production aircraft;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNoaAU2U70w&feature=related (about 7 mins into it)
also note its got 4 amraam and 2 aim-9
EF is certianly not second best to F-22 in acceleration, turn rate, climb rates etc. There is some thing called Su-27SM. It has 27 tons of thrust. lighter than original Su-27SK. New FBW, LCD etc. In aerodynamics aspects nothing short than 5th generation. unless comparable performance is not made. there is no point making claims.
If you’re talking about the R-37 test at extreme range, the missile doesn’t lock on at 320 km, it gets fed midcourse updates until the seeker is within acquisition range. This is why they got away with using a basic MiG-31 and not a MiG-31M for the test, a trials FLANKER was employed around midpoint to take over and continue feeding midcourse updates as the target was outside the FOXHOUND’s radar range. Preliminary target data came from either the FLANKER or maybe an A-50.
And who said the missile was fired at 8,000 meters?
It is different set of tests. Today it is antiaircraft systme. So it is capable of shooting down AAMs/SAMs
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66450&highlight=shield
On 18 August of 1993 was carried out a series of flying experiments on the interception of target at maximum range. In the course of the first of them the radio-controlled target, which flies at the height of 10.300 m with a velocity of 189 meters per second, was locked on by interceptor MiG-31 (flight altitude 8480 m, velocity – 669,3 meters per second) at the range if 319,5 kilometers the launch of rocket R-33 (successfully destroyed target) was carried out at the distance 228 kilometers
But by the meaningful result of development SUV “Zaslon” was creation in NIIP of scientific technical school for the development of antenna systems and radar with electronic control of ray, capable of today conducting the most complex and foremost developments both for the aviation and for the antiaircraft missile systems
LOL. Aircraft orders are made in years in advance and so are ship orders. The fact is simply GE made an order. Orders for the ARJ-21 has already exceeded 170 on local orders alone.
http://www.acac.com.cn/enhtm/News/Message/20080328C165044.html
ACAC signed LOI of 10 (ten) aircrafts with Joy Airlines on the ceremony of Joy Airlines¡¯ foundation held in people¡¯s hall, Beijing, on March 28, 2008. Until now, ARJ21-700 have got 181 domestic orders.
Letter of intent does not mean firm commitment. why ur misrepresenting reality just like on so many other issues in the past?
87 LOI converts into 14 aircraft at the most (read options) over 8 years period. very simple example.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/850320.stm
The US leasing corporation ILFC has signed a letter of intent to buy 87 Airbus aircraft, including five of the planned A3XX super jumbo airliners, Airbus Industrie announced at the Farnborough air show
http://utc.com/press/highlights/2003-09-05_gp7000.htm
East Hartford, CT and Evendale, OH –- International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC) has selected engines from the GE-P&W Engine Alliance for up to 14 new Airbus A380 aircraft.
The agreement, covering four firm and ten option A380s, is valued at $200 million for the firm aircraft and a total of $800 million if all options are exercised. This is the first firm engine order ILFC has placed for its A380 fleet.
You’re the one making specific claims, so the burden of proof is on you, otherwise they are pure speculation. Without knowing the most advantageous launch profile of the missile, I can’t comment on which altitude is optimal, though I’d expect additional range from higher altitudes. I don’t assume that a 200-400km increase in range is a reasonable estimate though.
Perhaps 15-30% improvemnt might be more realistic.
320km lockon range was achieved in 1994. u can expect closer to 1000km lock on range now. missile was fired 8km height. Here low altitude is considered 2km and high altitude as 16km. range difference is 400% between 2k and 16km height. u can assume that from 8 km to 20 to 22km height MIG-31BM can boost the range by atleast 100% for 600km intercept. and that would be without further increasing speed or using missile with newer technlogy.
http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/missiles/aam.html
To take one example, the Vympel R-77 has a stated range of 100 km against a head-on target at high altitude, but only 25 km in a stern chase. At low altitude it can fire at head-on targets at 20 km, from which we can guess range in a stern chase is 5 km. (See the above diagram.)
[And this is presumably against targets that don’t try to evade
we are not talking about 80s era missile. Here missile that hypersonic targets cannot escape. Aircrafts have very little chance to escape..
So if I understand you correctly, if I’m a customer who pays more money, I’ll be able to detect an F-22 further away than 90km?:rolleyes:
Everthing is directly proportional to money. and there is no point to put customer stuff on brochures.
This makes no sense at all. TVC helps at low speeds, and high angles of attack, when the wings can’t produce enough lift. It’s also helpful in maintaining optimal trim at high speeds. IT IS NOT for high G supersonic manuevers, and doesn’t add additional ability to outmanuever a missile at BVR. It most certainly doesn’t help you get into a tail chase at BVR.
Why does the RuAF chief have more credibility than anyone else?
I suggest you look up the words subjectivity and objectivity, and learn the distinctions.
That was in the past. Now Sukhoi is implementing TVC for supersonic speed. Sukhois are masters of aerodynamics. They have alot more credibility than anyone else.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jszhZZpw8KvbElApGPkWEikezcBAD93D0JT00
Russian technicians to aid China’s spacewalk
http://www.avbuyer.com.cn/e/2008/26724.html
25 Hours in the Air – the first stage of Sukhoi Superjet 100’s factory flight test completedPublished: Jul 16, 2008 Sign In to Save Article | Email Article | Print Article [-] Text [+] The Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft, powered by 2 SaM146 engines provided by PowerJet, scored 25 hours 55 minutes in-flight during the first stage of factory-based flight tests, with an average flight lasting 2-4 hours.
At this stage the test program goal is to conduct initial in-flight evaluation of aircraft aerodynamics and general performance. Aircraft systems and equipment functioning is checked at various configurations of wing control surfaces with both retracted and extracted landing gear positions.
The testing was performed at the altitude ranging from 3000 up to 6500m with 35000-40000 take-off weight at 670-680km/h maximum speed. Summarizing the results of the first series of flights the SSJ100 pilots highly estimated stability and control at all tested modes including take-off and landing. Aircraft demonstrated quite good climb rate.
Even at this stage flight data analysis shows good match of both static and aerodynamic performance with the aerodynamic, system and simulation data, earlier obtained through the large series of bench-testing. Flight, take off and landing performance at large confirm the design objectives.
The first stage of factory-based flight test brought the first in-flight hourly fuel consumption rate. Its projection over the cruise mode shows that the aircraft is going to consume less than 1,7 tons per hour, which justifies competitive advantages in terms of fuel efficiency declared earlier.
As the certification flight campaign will employ four SSJ100¡¯s, SCAC’s flight team decided to introduce additional crews ¨C June 29 was the day of the first flight for Nikolay Pushenko and on July 2 Leonid Chikunov captained the aircraft for the first time.
Concurrently with flights, production sites in Komsomolsk are manufacturing both further prototypes and the aircraft intended for the delivery. All aircraft systems had already been installed on SSJ100#95003 and it’s been powered on, which allows for factory system trials. SSJ100#95004 had its fuselage joint with the outer wing and is currently fitted with the systems. Assembled fuselage of the fourth flight aircraft (SSJ 100#95005) has been recently shipped to the final assembly shop, while outer wing production is in completion. In the meantime, KnAAPO is putting together centre, cabin and rear sections of the fatigue aircraft (SSJ100#95006).
All manufacturing sites ¨C KnAAPO, NAPO, and VASO ¨C continue parts production for the first four aircraft to be delivered to the airlines. A centre section assembly of the first delivery aircraft, the seventh in succession of the SSJ100 family, began in Komsomolsk in June.
As a part of total technical upgrade of production sites, Brotje team completes the installation of the automated fuselage/wing assembly rig ¨C to assemble the first aircraft intended for delivery.
Upon completion of the first stage of factory flight tests Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company performed integral assessment of key systems and components delivery schedule for both prototypes and the aircraft intended for the airlines. This assessment combined with standard certification test campaign agenda lead to a need to revise Programme schedule. According to the Sukhoi Superjet 100 Programme schedule the type certificate shall be gained in mid 2009 followed by the first deliveries in 3Q09.
Certification Campaign
The certification flight test campaign will involve four flight aircraft; each of them is assigned a specific role. Aircraft distribution between the tasks defines their equipment ¨C the first and the second flight aircraft, for instance, will not have a passenger cabin interior.
The first and the second flight aircraft are intended mostly for evaluation of flight, take-off and landing performance, stability and controllability, as well as strength characteristics. Later, they will be employed in the most hazardous tests at high angles of attack and stall, aeroelasticity and flutter safety tests.
The third and the fourth flight aircraft are intended primarily for testing avionics and the passenger cabin interior, including emergency evacuation. The same two will confirm the designed landing category and environmental noise level.
The aircraft, which are at the factory flight tests and in the final assembly shop today, will make total of over 600 certification flights, directly upon completion of the factory flight test (from 10 to 40 flights depending on the aircraft), at SCAC’s Zhukovsky-based flight test centre.
Test campaign intended to confirm aircraft’s readiness for the first flight included tests on the rigs. Similarly, certification campaign includes tests on various rigs. Besides the flight tests, certification campaign includes tests at a number of SCAC’s system and integration rigs to complete the certification tests of the static aircraft and confirm the designed life cycle of the aircraft.
Overall, SCAC together with the Programme suppliers will have to build over 40 test rigs. Indeed, the engineering simulator and the “Electronic bird” are entirely equipped and ready for the certification tests.
Besides, the static aircraft is tested at TsAGI aiming to launch the Sukhoi Superjet 100 certification flight tests.
Customer and Fleet Support
SuperJet International SpA (SJI), founded in 2007 by Alenia Aeronautica and Sukhoi Company and responsible for worldwide Customer Services, is in charge of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 customer and fleet support. Customer services include:
• Spare Parts supply including AOG service
• Optional on-site spare parts lease stock
• Exchange pool for Line Replaceable Units (LRU)
• Off-wing maintenance of LRU’s, and Main Elements (Landing Gear and APU) through a “one-window” concept
• Pool of high value tools and ground support equipment (GSE)
• Engineering Support
• Training
• Technical Publications maintained and provided via Web, on CD/DVD, and in hardcopies
• Flight operations support
• Maintainability and reliability tracking & analysis
• On-Site Support by Field Service Representatives and Mobile Repair Teams
• Account Managers, coordinating all customer issues to ensure his overall satisfaction
SuperJet International will manage all these services through its “Customer Care Center” as the focal contact point for the customer available 24 hours 7 days a week with the customer free to choose a user-friendly Web-Portal, phone or e-mail as a media for his need.
Furthermore, SuperJet International offers “Super Care Plan (SCP)”, when customer pays on “flight-hour” basis for the indicated services, selected from a menu. SCP allows the customer for guaranteed maintenance cost.
Aircraft base maintenance (A-,C,- and structural checks) is offered through a worldwide network of independent, reputable, SJI authorized Service Centres (aircraft MRO facilities). SJI will regularly support and audit these service centres on an ongoing basis to ensure OEM quality standards.
SJI offers LRU and Main Elements repair and overhaul through its “one-window” as a single interface, but subcontracts the job to vendors and component R&O facilities. However, customer is free to contract LRU and Main Elements repair and overhaul direct to vendors or other service providers.
SJI’s Training Centre Organization will be located in two sites: Moscow and Venice. The first training equipment ¨C Flight Navigation Procedure Training device ¨C has already been installed in SJI’s Venice Headquarters, and the Training Class Room is ready. In May 2008 SJI had started its first training courses for internal staff ¨C SSJ100 Maintenance General Familiarization. For the “temporary” Marcon training facility in Venice, the FTO (EASA) certification is in process.
As for SJI training facilities in Moscow, it is considered to use Sukhoi facilities in Zhukovsky, where both classrooms and training devices, such as Full Flight Simulators (FFS), will be timely placed to support training. This facility will be further used to support training needs of all customers in Russia/CIS.
Prior to entry into service, SJI will provide the customers with Recommended Spare Parts List (RSPL) for initial provisioning, followed by initial provisioning conferences. Parts are delivered to the customer on the Purchase order well in time before arrival of the first aircraft. Later on all spare parts orders, relating both to proprietary and vendor components, will be managed through the SJI Customer Care Center.
SJI initially will establish two main spare parts distribution centres (warehouses), one in Moscow (early 2009) and one in central Europe (early 2010), followed by additional warehouses located in other countries worldwide depending on the Sukhoi Superjet 100 market. All these warehouses will be managed by a worldwide leading logistic provider.
SJI is currently selecting a Logistic Provider to manage SuperJet International warehouse network and to provide all logistics services, such as transportation and customs clearance.
SJI is committed to have the Moscow warehouse (at SVO) ready in 2009, with initial spare parts provisioning starting no later than 2 months prior to first SSJ100 delivery to AFL.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080923/117056816.html
Russia in talks with Cuba, Venezuela on joint use of Glonass satellites
Oh it does.
http://www.acac.com.cn/enhtm/News/Message/20080328C101948.html
ARJ-21 Program Announces First Flight Delay
ACAC announced today the delay of the planned first flight of ARJ21-700, due to the fact that supplier/suppliers of key systems were not able to provide necessary test conditions on time. Currently ACAC is making efforts to ensure on schedule delivery of key systems, including advanced flight system, so as to be able to deliver the ARJ21-700 to airline customers in 2009.
Your link is from March. And this thing has been postponed so many times that u can blame almost anything for its delay. Prelimary agreement is not firm commitment. Firm commitments are still below 100. and they said themselves that it will take two years to reach production rate of 30 per year. And that under assumption that certification is achieved by 2009.
Your looking atleast 2015 before this gets any thing outside China.
Very good point. trying to compare component supplies in 90s Russia when every shop was closed with those who supply daily to Boeing/Airbus.
that’s not the only supplier they have. 40% of the suppliers for ARJ-21 are from outside of China. If the suppliers don’t deliver, you can’t assemble. It’s that simple. As for why it got rolled out and still not have all the parts, do you think ships have all the electronics fitted when they first get moved into the water from dry dock? It simply did not have all the parts delivered.
And clearly, you don’t read enough articles on airliner delays. Civilian airline projects continuously have delays due to supplier delivery issues.
I read delays about various aircraft projects. Every aircraft is unique in some sense but there is nothing unique about ARJ-21 for causing it to delay. Who is biggest avionics supplier anyway?
This thing has practically nothing to do with avionics.
http://www.aviationtoday.com/ran/topstories/18195.html
Thursday, December 27, 2007
China Debuts ARJ-21
Dubbed Ziangfeng – Flying Phoenix – the ARJ 21 was rolled out last week in ceremonies at the Shanghai Aircraft Manufacturing Factory ushering in the first Chinese-built jet, an aircraft destined for the regional airline marketplace. Made by the China Aviation Industry Corp. I (AVIC I), the 90-seat regional jets’s maiden flight ois scheduled for March. It has a range of 2,300 miles, according to one of two press services invited to the event – Xinhua News Agency. Deliveries are set to begin in the third quarter of 2009.
The Associated Press reported that the Federal Aviation Administration opened an office in Shanghai and is now working on safety standards with China’s General Administration on Civil Aviation. The aircraft was original scheduled to debut in 2005 but delays were caused by design problems, according to AP.
Your logic isn’t.
That’s moot anyway. As the facts and logic show which you have clearly ignored Iran doesn’t have to have a missile that can make a direct attack from Iran to the United States to have the ability to attack United States, the UK, China. Etc… As the article and the video clearly demonstrates the ballistic missiles used in conjunction with barges that Iran already has could be used to attack the mainland United States, Israel, UK, China. Etc…
This is pure nonsense that Iran is going to attack US/UK/China when it gets ICBM. Iran has regional ambition. They may need ICBM as detereance against West intervention if and when it wants to liberates Oil rich shiites in Persian Gulf from corrupt theocracies that were installed in previous era.
Here Top person for NATO in Russia is saying that the Iran and Russia have the same enemy. When asked who that enemy is he just said drug smugglers on borders areas. Now person with little intellectual ability will take his words literally. But offcourse meaning is very clear. It is terrorist loving kings of persian gulf that have purchased Western multinationals and politicians for there own needs imposing high Oil prices on consumers and than buying influence with that money. Offcouse they tried the same trick with Putin but he is made of different material than western politicians.
http://www.russiatoday.com/spotlight/release/1454/
NATO: Russia’s perspective
You do not have to be from Mars to know that Russia has been less than reliable when it comes to after sale support.
Below is an example from a news article that ran May 24, 2007:
This article does not have much credibility. Since Western multiational firms havent done such complex multivendor projects with Indial. MKI despite far complex in structure and weopons systmes is far ahead than F-16E/M2K9/F-16I interms of quantity delivered under similar time frame. Same is case with T-90.