star49As well it should.
Countries always promote its producs…whether it be cars (I don’t see Brown…or Bond…driving a U.S. Ford :D) or food.
But that’s not the point I’m making.
In a bad economy, I don’t expect the U.S. to send jobs overseas….
anymore than I’d expect the UK to buy a US aircraft when it has one of its own that could do the job.BTW: When it comes to today’s economy, I don’t expect the Europeans to still be grateful for U.S. help in WWI, WWII and the Cold War. (Mind youl, it would be nice if Mercedes gave me a discont on my last purchase 😀 …but I’m lucky they don’t charge me for the damage caused by my father bombing the works in 1945…) .
When it comes to European relations, I’m satified with getting a nice Engish girl (a Cambridge trained NHS sister) to marry me and come to the colonies.
It can work bothways without 1917 Bolsheivk revolution and World 1/2. US would be just another country like Brazil/Canada etc. U have to participate in Wars to gain that influence and Prestige. (All those finaical institutions and reserve currency status).
star49The Su-34 is meant to replace the Su-24 aircraft – the Russian equivalent of the F-111 – and eventually any remaining Su-17 and Mig-27 in Russian service. As a machine that has such extensive commonality with the Su-27, it is extremely unlikely that 1 Su-34 would equate to 12 Su-27 in terms of combat power all round
Su-35 also look like Su-27 but it does not mean its performance is similar. Su-34 cannot have same MTOW like Su-24 with 43 tons. It is just full information is not released. and in replacement you want to increase capabilities not decrease it. so 200 to 300 Su-34 may do the job of 2000 to 3000 1970s era bombers from Su-25 to Tu-22.
http://www.airfleet.ru/index.php?staid=1001027
The Su-34s were handed over to crews of the State Flight Test Centre named after Valery Chkalov, Russian acronym GLITs. The crews were headed by GLITs deputy chief, leading Su-34 test-pilot Colonel Igor Malikov. Speaking to Air Fleet, he said: “Today is a great day for the NAPO employees and, even more of that, for the Russian air force. No-one country, including our potential enemies, has aircraft similar in performance to the Su-34. This aircraft is 4+ generation.
star49Wrong. At moment are more F-111 in RAAF service than Su-34 in Russian service.
http://www.scramble.nl/au.htm
Those two or three Su-34 are more effective than couple of dozen F-111. More than 1000 test flights for perfecting Su-34 in 21st century on 8 to 10 machinese and considering Sukhoi Aerodynamics knowledge and experiance. These 1000 flights are almost equal to 10,000 flights for any other developmental program in previous era.
Alot of information about Su-34 is not released. 1 Su-34> 12 Su-27.
star49Absolute. China was banned since 1989 and India for a period due to nuclear proliferation as Pakistan was. What were the radar and AAMs allowed for the RMAF SH? :diablo:
China J-10 were well under way in 90s. they dont need to obtain the license for Flanker rather off the shelf purchased was quicker and cheaper idea. India did have alot of EU choice even in cheaper times of 90s when EU aircrafts were not that expensive. APG-73 radar and AIM-120.
star49we could see airdefence/armour exports.
Russia, Saudi Arabia sign military-technical deal
MOSCOW. July 15 (Interfax-AVN) – An agreement on military-technical cooperation was signed between Russia and Saudi Arabia in Moscow on Monday evening.
The agreement was signed by Director of the Russian Federal Agency for Military-Technical Cooperation Mikhail Dmitriyev and Saudi National Security Council Secretary-General Bandar bin Sultan in the presence of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.
star49Supercruise is for real from 15000 feet.
Defence Industry
Su-35 multirole fighter to go supersonic without afterburning
MOSCOW. June 17 (Interfax-AVN) – Sukhoi aviation company’s designers are thinking over possibilities to ensure Su-35’s supersonic speed without afterburning, company’s fighter project manager Igor Demin told Interfax-AVN.
“At first, the designers and developers did not plan that the aircraft should be able of supersonic flights without afterburning, but when they received new information after the aircraft was tested at near-sonic and supersonic speeds at altitudes from five to 11 km, they started to take such an opportunity as quite real,” he said, noting that the aircraft being tested now has managed to reach a supersonic speed without engaging afterburner, which was a pleasant surprise for the developers.
Further tests are in store to check Su-35’s ability to take off from a short runway with the run of only 200 meters, and land with a roll of not more than 700 m.
Defence Industry
Su-35 fighter will be equipped with latest safety systems
MOSCOW. July 17 (Interfax-AVN) – The Sukhoi Su-35 multi-role jet fighter is due to be equipped with a system of “diverting” enemy missiles from the aircraft, Igor Dyomin, Director of the Su-35 fighter program at the Sukhoi aircraft corporation, told Interfax-AVN.
“Several new approaches to counter [attacks] will be applied in the aircraft, for instance, missile diversion modes will be set up,” he said.
The Su-35 will also be fitted with an infrared detector, which will allow the aircraft to track infrared guided missiles fired at it and provide an early warning for the pilot.
The terrain following system will help protect the Su-35 from being detected by enemy radar, Dyomin added.
star49I mean to remember to read an article which discussed the outdated production facilities in Russian, with russian sources themself claiming that without heavy investment the entire industry could collaps.
what is mean by heavy investment in monetary terms:p
BTW Star49,
you are wrong about the MiG-31 operating at higher altitudes, because its ceiling is 20600 m, while your imba Su-35 is going to fly at 30000 m… :-p
that is MIG-31E
star49Interesting. European firms were experimenting with AESA radars 20 years ago, using small batches of T/R modules produced in labs. But nobody seriously considered building hundreds of fighter radars until mass-production of small, light, relatively cheap T/R modules could be assured, e.g. by UMS. All we’ve seen from Russia so far could be from small batches made in boutique foundries.
Producing T/R modules does not equal to AESA radar and Russians may not want to tell the whole Story about PAK-FA status just like the picture is in hiding. Just look at JSC Sevtalana.
star49One highly interesting development.
Yesterday, several Vympel and TMC (Tactical Missiles Corporation)representatives in Farnbourough “broke the furniture” (metaphorically speaking).
They called the Novator KS-172 program a “complete bluff“!
A few more quotes:
-“Will not end up in series production”
-“This missile is not going to be a real program, and you should not pay any atention to it.”On a side note, that article also ends one of my personal quests, “The search for the lost Missile” (AKA, Ramjet R-77 or KRPD-TT).
The only photos available were from a 1993 “Mockup”, and there were several non confirmed reports (some from 1999) that the project had stoped a long time ago. This article confirms those reports but ends with a hopeful note, Vympel “could revive it now”.
Taking into acount that the Bureau responsible for the Ramjet propulsion his closed since 2004, the radar “head” would have to be a new one and the latest iterations of the R-77 (Izdelye 180) lost the Molnya “lattice fins”, this “Ramjet Revival” would be a completely new weapon. So, it seems that we are not going to see a Ramjet R-77 for a very long time, if ever…The article is in page 12 here:
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/farnborough071608/Cheers
KS-172 was never being part of state programe. it was more Brahmos style offer for India. Brahmos is for tri service and more than 2000 are going to be built. Amazing success story for a missile which is both expensive and not allowed for every country.
Only TMC programes are task with Air to Air missiles. There is no duplication of efforts. and they can make 200 to 300Km Kh-31. i dont see problem with ramjet.
star49Only Sukhoi has the correct approach to fighters.
http://www.aviaport.ru
Company “dry” on the exhibition “of Farnborough -2008” carried out all stated problems.
About this corr. of [ARMS]- TASS stated the general director of company “dry” Mikhail [Pogosyan].According to him, “the primary task of the company “of dry” on the salon was the advance of the design of the regional aircraft Of superjet 100, and this problem is successfully solved”.
In the course of exhibition the company “super-jet of International” declared about the conclusion of two solid supply agreements of on the whole 25 aircraft Of superjet 100. company “commercial airplanes of dry” and “[Avializing]” they declared about the signing of preliminary agreement to the delivery of the aircraft Of superjet 100, which prior to the end of the year will pass into the solid contract. Leasing company will acquire 24 aircraft.
Agreement provides for option to 16 more aircraft.
“This is very great success, now a quantity of solid orders for Superjet 100 reached 98 units”, emphasized [Pogosyan].According to [M]. [Pogosyan], “in the field of military aviation engineering on the sums of exhibition we can say that the program Su-35 is completely competitive. The demonstration “of Eurofighter”, the modernized complexes F -16, F -18 and for the first time shown in Europe F -22 “Of [reptor]” they convince us in the fact that the selected by us direction on the creation Su-35 and the aircraft of the fifth generation absolutely correct”.
The third main result of exhibition for the company “dry” became further adjusting of durable bonds with the most important world producers of aviation engineering. Are carried out negotiations with the management of companies “Boeing”, “Airbus”, [EADS], “[Finmekkanika]” and by others.
“We became the company, which together with its European partners is developed as the diversified multiprofile corporation, which works both in the field of military, and civil aviation engineering. Our positioning on the market and image of company essentially changed. Us they receive as the real players on the World Market, who work on it according to the international rules”, concluded [Pogosyan].
star49And all that has what to do with supersonic manueverability?
The question of manevarability does not arise when one aircraft is not capable of sustaining speeds of the other for reasonable distance. one is barely Mach 1.5 and the other will be Mach 3.
six seconds?
http://www.royfc.com/acft_news.html
Today’s News
Su-35 Fighter to Be Equipped with Most Up-to-Date Defensive SystemsIt is planned to equip the multirole Su-35 fighter with a system for deflecting an enemy’s missile away from the airplane, the Sukhoy Holding Company’s program director for the fighter, Igor’ Demin, has announced.
“It is planned to use some new approaches to countermeasures (enemy attacks), for example, to introduce modes for deflecting enemy missiles away from the airplane,” he said.
Moreover, an infrared radiation detector will be installed on the Su-35 with the aid of which will allow finding out about missiles aimed at the airplane earlier.
Source: 17.07.08, Gudok
star493000km/hr. and manueverability are mutually exclusive. 😉
MIG-31 flies higher than any other combat aircraft. Radar has larger FOV so there is little chance of last minute surprize. and bigger BVR missiles have larger seekers for acquisition. So this the only 5th generation solution.
star49Nope I’m definitely not. If we had the old Su-35/37 take on a tiffy it wouldn’t be a fair fight. The BM seems closer to the UBER flanker that the Typhoon was designed to beat.
Go read up on cranking tactics – the basic Su-27-30-35-37-BM was definitely not designed with supersonic agility in mind, in fact non TVC variants are rumoured to be less efficient in this area than the F-15. They are based on 70s airframe that is going to have real issues when dealing with the new supersonic BVR game that the west wants to play.
New game? what is that 1970s era 3000Km/h, 21Km height MIG-31 non-upgraded version represents let alone the one with 40K engines. that will be any one guess. It is already equiped with more than 200 KM range BVR since this year. when 400KM radar is ready for export and 300KM Bars is already exported couple of years back. No one should be surprized at 700 to 800KM range with MIG-31 as Antenna is substanially bigger than 900mm IRBIS.
Read about Su-35 it is trying to achieve that performance.
star49one thing confirm that Su-35 is lighter than Su-30 with 2 ton more fuel capacity and extra thrust.
star49The cost of each EJ-200 is around $12m based on 2006 contract. i doubt any one is going for more thrust cost development and TVC.
http://www.flugrevue.de/index.php?id=2526
At the same time the effect on integration into the Eurofighter must be kept as minimal as possible. Thus, for example, if the fan needs to be enlarged, then it must only be by a relatively small amount. But whether a 30 percent more powerful EJ200 would be feasible by 2012 depends first and foremost on what the customers want. According to Price, “That would entail a more extensive development programme.”The subject of thrust vector control is not off the table as well. “That is an interesting technology on which we have made a lot of progress over the last 18 months. We are now looking at a less complex and hence lighter system which has virtually no impact on the airframe but still has great potential for cost savings and performance improvements.”
Such a nozzle could be used even before Tranche 3, as a prototype. “The aim is to come up with a solution which allows aircraft already built to be upgraded relatively easily. A lot of technical modifications which we have already proposed for Tranche 3 as a way of reducing fuel consumption also support the development of a thrust vector system. At the moment the discussion is centred around the extent to which the advantages of an upgrade in Tranche 3 would impact the life cycle costs. The customers have indicated that they are interested, but thrust vector control is not currently part of the Tranche 3 discussions.”
ITP had tested a nozzle with three-dimensional deflection back in July 1998. MTU had modified the control system accordingly. The system underwent extensive testing on the test rig in Ajalvir near Madrid and on the high altitude test facility in Stuttgart, in the course of which it achieved a maximum vector angle of 23.5 degrees and a slew rate of 110 degrees per second. As well as improving agility, the nozzle could also be used to trim the aircraft and in this way reduce the need to use drag-inducing control surfaces.
Production of the EJ200 is currently in full swing. Delivery of the 500th Eurofighter engine is scheduled for the third quarter of this year. Then from next year there will be the 144 engines plus spares to be built by Rolls-Royce for the 72 Eurofighters ordered by Saudi Arabia. The order value is around €1.2 billion. MTU’s share comes to €310 million. No modifications are necessary for the engines to be deployed in desert regions. “During the EJ200 test programme we conducted extensive trials involving exposure to sand. Moreover, the feedback we get from core nations operating the engine under comparable conditions on international operations is good.”
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