I think it just give you a hint that the possible minimal range that the two fighters should be able to find each other.

Simple speaking, according to my personal opinion, the “See first, lock first, and shot first” capability of Su-35BM in BVR engagement is significantly bigger than Rafale, roughly equal to Typhoon, and inferior than Raptor. The detective / tracking capability of IRBIS-E should be good enough to use R-77M or R-37/KS-172 to engage EF-2000 or Rafale today at the range of 100~150 km+ away at least. Therefore, beside integrating Meteor BVRAAM and AESA radar (especiaaly for Rafale), I think both the manufacturers of EF-2000 and Rafale should accelerate their pace of integrating more advanced LO techonology to their fighters in order to face the threat like Su-35BM in the near future (post-2012).

ur whole data is wrong and comparing differetn time periods and wrong assumption.
MIG-31 upgrades achieves double the range of MIG-31 in 90s. There is no guarantee that the radar entering service in 2008 has the same capability. it could be upgraded with IRBIS tech. so 700 to 800 KM is reasonable guess for non-exportable fighter with Zalson-AM. The same can be true for Ruaf version of Su-35 as they guarantee nothing less than 400 KM range for Export customer. Remember Su-27SM has similar or better capability than more advanced export flankers but using older tech.
And newer R-77 have couple of new models coming. one is 2008 which is roughly comparable to AIM-120C7. than 2010 model and than 2013 model for PAK-FA. ur looking at ranges of 200 to 300 KM for R-77 alteast. with Project 810 some where in 500Km to 700km range and hitting into upper space.
similar is using wrong data for climb rates, takeoff weights, speed, range etc.

In operational circumstances, range is not a massive concern a.k.a IFR, 3D turn ability very useless until flight regime allows it, stick the gripen with cobra helmet, IRIS-T, all TVC advantages have been more than accounted for. Does anyone know sustained turn rates, also instananeous of su-35?

3D TVC is the single most important part of flight performance. Russians are not stupid to go over all the aerodynamic testing. It is more usefull in BVR combat. Why IAF and USAF have TVC in aersuperiority fighter and those are inferior systems to Su-35.

ive got a normal gripen A as sustained, 21 degree/sec, instan, 30 degree per sec.

can it do with fuel tanks and external AAM.

Climb rate will be around the 50,000 mark, so guess su-35 has it beat there.:p

Gripen will run out of fuel at 50K height for any usefull fight. just the speed and climb rates are not there.

Saw a practise demo of the beast on the friday before RIAT. The biggest thing that struck me about the plane was its noise. Honestly was the loudest flipping thing I have ever heard, even louder than the eurofighter. Its display was far more exhilirating than anything russian. They always seem to be a bit underpowered in their manouvers, but the F-22 just accerelerated through them, then very quickly regained its airspeed. It may be doing the same manouvers as the OVT, su-37 etc did X years ago, but there is a certain difference in the sheer controlability, speed and power which the F-22 exercuted them. However for all its awesome hovering, backflips etc, it did not seem as agile as the typhoon, in flight speed turn after turn after turn, it did need a little time to recover airspeed, albeit seconds though!!! :D. If I were to ask, what would the F-22 performance be like without TVC? :confused: Like an F-15 with alot more power?

Su-37/MKI are bit underpowered for the amount of OEW they have which is in 19 to 20 ton range but only 12,500KG thrust engines are propelling them. Similar is current MIG-29OVT which is not powered by RD-33MK.

There is no such post 2015 plans to produce 50 a year , there is just the 2007-2015 plans for present and well documented , I dont know what basis do astronautix has to reach such figures.

New 2010-2020 plan has prepared. Those 2007-2015 plan was based on assumption that has become obsolete.

It was a demonstrator showcasing some characteristics. Not that the radar is bad or incapable of principally doing it, but it is not yet fielded in an operational manner. Damn, I think the only true AESA currently flying in the F-22 and F-18, and that not since long.

That was 2 years ago. it is finished this summer. 300 to 400KM range with 1100 T/R module is guaranteed.

AESA radar testing enters final stage – manufacturer

FARNBOROUGH, United Kingdom. July 14 (Interfax-AVN) – The testing of the Zhuk-AE multi-phased active electronically scanning array radar (AESA) intended for MiG-35 multi-role fighter jets, has entered a third and final stage of development.

“We hope the fully functional AESA radar, currently being installed in the MiG-35, Tail Number 154, will be ready by the end of the summer,” Yury Guskov, the director general of the Phazotron NIIR Corporation, Russia’s leading developer and producer of radars and radar weapons and defense control systems for aircraft, told Interfax-AVN.

This specimen is of the pre-serial AESA radar category, Guskov said at an annual air show in Farnborough, UK, on Monday.

“We have entered the third and final stage of the radar’s flight testing, which in turn is broken into several sub-stages. We are through with the first one. All of the declared characteristics were confirmed in the recent first test flight,” said Guskov.

About 5 years from first flight to first flight of the true production version (MiG-23M). For such an aircraft quite a miserable performance, the USA got the much more complex F-111 faster into combat.
Better take Suchoi 27 and MiG-29 as yardstick, compare that to F-15 and F-16, and then see what happened in the generation after 15/16. Gives you an impression how complexity grew.

We could be unfair and take Russian programs of the 1990ies as yardstick, but that wouldn’t be an entirely valid comparison.

4 years is sufficient time for aerodynamic testing. Considering the automation, information technologies and money available. Su-27 is aerodynamically far more complex than F-15/F-16. Just developing something with 9.4 ton fuel capacity and maneourability requirements.

So 1000 units over 40 years, that is 25 a year.
Pretty low rate.

25 per year will be equal or better than F-22. And they have Su-34 to build upto 300 alteast.

Phazotron never supplied any helicopter and space radar sets to China either. That’s completely bunk.

this thing is getting more funny.:diablo:

Eh what? How is that a response to my statement?

u cant design a radar for a fighter unless u hav all the data

So China can’t design a radar system now, is that it?

It can surely design slot array radars.

Well who made it then? NIIR or NIIP? What model is it? When was it delivered? Surely you have some evidence of all of this.

China whole radar development is based around NIIR Slot arrays from J-8, J-10, JH-7 to heli radars upto space radar.s o it is not hard to judge the same thing is put in J-11B. key word is large antennas.
It has been extensively documented by Phazotron statements to various medias and there own information.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/729747/posts
Jane’s International Defense Review | August 2002
China has started the JH-7A fighter-bomber upgrade project. Production of the first batch of 40 JH-7As is expected to start after 2003. The trial flights of JH-7A prototypes will start this year. China also gets help from Russia on the JH-7A, as it can co-ordinate with Su-30MKK in the air-to-ground role. Russia provided KAB-500L laser guided bombs and X-31P anti-radiation missiles for JH-7A. In addition, China has purchased from Russia 20 sets of large diameter radar antenna designed by Phazotron, which has some relation to the development of JH-7A.