No you didn’t there is still some fighting in Chechnya going on.
Anyway, you’ve only replaced one terrorist gang for another led by Moscow’s puppet Kadryov.

so if some one becomes Moscow puppet it automatically becomes a terrorist gang?

Yes, there is a Chechen refugee problem and the population of Chechnya has been very much reduced, there are lots of sources describing this – something like half a million reduced at one point I think.

Your credibility is now the same as Joney harping about Russia finding a Carrier in open ocean.

80% of the Luftwaffe or the Kriegsmarine were not on the Eastern front fighting the Soviet Union (not Russia).:rolleyes:

And a empire can be organized by Georgia. Soviet Union only exist because of Russia.

And don’t seem to to have much luck upgrading their weapons in the 21st century either – how many MiG-29SMTs, Su-27SMs or MiG-31BMs are in service at the moment? How many Mi-28s are in service?

U have to consider MIG-31(long range BVR), High speed, High Altitude concept/MIG-29/Su-27 are fully comparable to late Model F-15C/M2K-5/F-16C. What Soviet deployed operationally in 80s were 10 year ahead from West. So West catchup with upgrading with high offbore sight missles/HMS in 21st century. and introducing high flying F-22.
Su-27SM is more of giving multirole ground attack capability like Su-24. it does not mean what was deployed in 80s were in anyway behind. they can still give run of money to EF/Rafale/Gripen class fighters. there was exercise beteen Gripen & MIG-29.

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Thanks for highligting various parts.

Consequently, in “generational terms” the LCA is a fourth generation-plus aircraft with full networking capabilities. This made it more than comparable to anything the IAF had, and possibly would have, even after it acquires the 126 Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) now on tender, with first deliveries due eight years hence.
On the engine

whats difference between MRCA & MMRCA. 4+ or 4++ like MIG-35?

Even Snecma, the sole fighter aircraft engine manufacturer in France, despite decades of experience in developing and manufacturing engines for Mirage III, V and F-1, took about a decade and $2.2 billion to develop the M-88 engine for the Mirage 2000. The development of the Kaveri is unlikely to cross $1 billion.

M-88 related to Mirage-2000.

The LCA with a GE 404 engine has done 800-plus hours of flight-testing. Even with that engine the performance has been not only vastly superior to that of even the recently upgraded MiG 21 BIS (the IAF is operating almost 400 of the series), but it has shown itself to be comparable in many critical parameters to the Mirage 2000. Modifications to the aircraft structure are under way to reduce weight and improve engine performance. When the GTRE’s joint venture with a leading foreign engine manufacturer for further development is completed in the next four years, the Kaveri will be brought up to a performance level, superior to the GE 404. Fitted with it, the LCA will be truly comparable to the Mirage 2000 and in many respects even superior. And all this in an aircraft much lighter than the Mirage 2000.

Lighter is no surprize. Good for Airsuperiority role but it has lift 2000L tanks for endurance all as heavy PGMs to make meaningful comparision.

As for development costs, the LCA has remained well within the sanctioned $1.2 billion — which is about the lowest anywhere.Time overrun in the strict sense is only by a year or two, despite the sanctions. A first-of-type aircraft of this degree of complexity has not been developed anywhere in the West or in Russia in less than two to three decades.]

15 year the maximum for Rafale but than there is Naval version with canards.

Rafel Costs And Funding
Development
In 1988, the French Ministry of
Defense awarded contracts totaling
$2.46 billion to Dassault and
SNECMA for development of the Rafale
and its M88 engine, plus construction
of a prototype.
Development costs for the Rafale
were estimated at FFr32 billion, of
which Dassault and SNECMA together
were to contribute about FFr8
billion. Overall development costs
have increased to FFr 45 billion ($6.1
billion), with 25% coming from the
contractors. M88 engine development
costs are fixed at $1.68 billion,
with $420 million coming from
SNECMA.
Rafale R&D funding began in earnest
in FY 1985 with about FFr1 billion.
R&D funding peaked in FY
1989-1992, with over FFr4 billion approved
for each year.

(Ashok Parthasarathi was Science Adviser to Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Vice- Admiral (retired) Raman Puri was Chief of Integrated Defence Staff to the Chairman, Committee of Service Chiefs, remaining closely involved with the inter-service weapons acquisition process from October 2003 to February 2006).

Reference :-

http://www.hindu.com/2008/03/09/stories/2008030955051000.htm

If it has been written by one person than i would have let it go but two persons with that calibre.

LOL.. I think especially we from Eastern Europe have had enough of your ‘protection’ for the entire lifetime. :rolleyes: Thanks, I am not buying.. :rolleyes:

Your not in position to buy this protection anyway. :p
Corporate interests of Western EU big multinationals and Russian Science& natural resources coincides. Every thing else becomes irrelevant.
where else on earth some one can dream of building 1.5millon car plant in one place. how ur going to build catalytic converter at Cheap price?

http://www.amerigold.com/why_palladium/
With a low palladium price and a declining dollar, how long will it be before these nations re-think their export policies, especially Russia, who accounts for almost 50% of annual global palladium supply? Russia holds the key to price and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see them hold back supply in order to raise prices

I think its more of a case of money being an easy political excuse to cover half the countries in it who quite frankly ponce off the rest of NATO, no names mentioned but i think even you would have a fair idea who those countries are. That and a lack of political will by some NATO memebers also hinder Afghan ops. (As a side note i think NATO is past its prime and useless but thats another matter)

It all comes to money and Russia is interested in particular countries in EU. like Germany/France/Italy/Spain etc. These countries make excellent Auto/Industrial machinery/Aerodyanmic composite sturcutures (Alenia is largets supplier to Boeing/Airbus) and Russia want to modernize Civillian infrastructure and have all the money in the world. So Russia maynot be interested in good relations with post Industrial nation like UK when nothing of any interest on offer except some parts from BAE systems.

these nations arent intersted in any NATO adventure. They will gladly give this responsiblity of protecting EU to Russia as Russia has much better arms, Natural resources (to standup to Middleast/Central Asia) and willingness to pursue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/06/AR2008030602360.html?hpid=sec-world
In Russia we have a new president and I think the European Union wants to put its ties with Russia on another footing,” said Luxembourg’s foreign minister, Jean Asselborn. “We have to take the interests of others, not only the members of NATO, into account.”
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner suggested that Russia’s place in the world system was not given enough consideration. “France is not the only nation wanting to maintain a relationship with Russia as a great nation,” he said

As for your “Manpower increases with money” , i can’t quite fathom that, if your talking about money buying superior weaponry and thn that in turns acts as a force multiplier then yes by all means Manpower increases with money as you put it, however if were talking manpower in the classic sense of the term then a dying and shrinking population does not equal more manpower, it means less manpower, unless in Russia people are made on production lines… ‘In Russia Factory makes you’ 🙂

ur reading some old statistics that are no longer relevant. Wealth changes perception of families.

They are certainly more capable than those Kilos we got. Which took several years to complete. And the entire Sov contract was really well done, just the typical late delivery + fire accidents.

they are certainly not more capable than Kilo. All 8 Kilos were devilvered in 4 years after contract. Can u show any nation in the world who can do this?. And that was pretty busy time. As they were dealing with Indian and there own submarines orders. how is FC-1/J-10 quantity going?

so, the Indians got duped again, ever thought about treating your customers with some respect?

So do u think it is retail industry that customer service matter. These are unique products not available any where else at this price.

what makes you think that’s going to be their first carrier? This is a pretty faulty assumption. Anyone with a half brain probably would’ve figure out by now that it’s main purpose was for studying.

U learn from carrier when u actually operate it. Not just park it and observe. I doubt China can operationally got a carrier in next 20 years.

Once 095 gets launched in the next few years, it won’t be the case anymore. Still hung up on the Akulas? But hey, it’s time that the Russians to start building their own gas turbines. After all, even this really backward race called the Chinese people have started to build gas turbines. What a shocker.

Again more nonsense. U cannot even compete in diesel submarines let alone SSBN. How many ICBMs/SLBM with u have operational?. how many test launches per year?. Russians built whole science behind Gas turbines and built factoreis in several republics. ever thought about Siemens & Power machinese. why do u think Reanult/Nissan was after Autovaz at any price?
They are in now whole different level.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car_news/chinese_car_flunks_russian_crash_test_car_news
Chinese Car Flunks Russian Crash Test – Car News

August 2007

A Chery Amulet sedan was “one of the worst performers…ever,” in a crash test conducted by AvtoRevu, a leading Russian auto magazine, according to a Wall Street Journal story.

Russia is China’s biggest auto-export market, and the $9,000 Amulet is the top-selling Chinese model in Russia, selling 10,119 cars in the first half of 2007, up from 702 in the same period a year earlier.

A state-accredited safety testing center passed the Amulet in the “rudimentary tests” required for cars sold in Russia — where price typically outweighs safety for budget-minded consumers — and the car remains on the road today, the WSJ said.

“We have never seen such terrible deformation of a car’s body,” AvtoRevu reporter Yury Vetrov, who observed the tests, wrote in his article

so next u will be start claiming that China has start building Single engine J-10/FC-1 and no single fighter is currently built in Russia so only China knows Single engine fighter.

I’m not to sure why your laughing about Afghanistan to be honest, looks like the ‘west’ got it right while the Russian war there was truley a qaugmire of epic proportions, this war pales in comparison when you consider the amount of deaths the Soviets took, infact i do wonder if the ‘west’ is perhaps fighting the most lop-sided war ever in the history of warfare when it comes to casultys and the death count, a most startling differance from how the Russians got on there that even you cannot deny…. Edit: i wouldn’t worry about the Muj infiltrating the ‘western’ forces, were not daft enough for that unlike some.

West got it wrong in first place in 70s-80s, than again in the 90s and than again in 21st century by not putting enough soldiers & always chosing the wrong side. If all sudden Russia wants to create 21st century version of Muj infiltrators and park its A-50 in tajiksitan, uzbek, Turkmenistan along with Satellite images of NATO bases and guide and train Muj people where the targets are NATO will be in deep trouble. I am not even going into Iranian side
that Russia can throw a few bones there.
I doubt NATO can survive a high tempo war for even a Month let alone a decade. Russia has all the money, geographical location technology and manpower on its side to embrass NATO. Russians deal with issues in civilized manner.
Even without Russian doing it NATO expenditure on force protection is far higher than what Soviet Spent. thats why NATO is always looking at cheap Russian transport.