And the most exposed areas were in Belarus…No matter if selling such an advanced system would bring loads of $$$, security concerns should stop the Russians to sell S X00 to such imprevisible regimes. Up to now, Russia didn’t sold them to Iran for example, who, unlike NK could afford them, at least in limmited numbers (Tor doesn’t count since it’s a short range system). Opposing the US stance vs. NK or Iran is one, selling them sophisticated weapons is another thing.

Your are clearly not understanding.Not selling openly to Iran is because of Arabs(who controlled OPEC). Russia still needs higher Oil price for some time. NK is totally different case. They extracted a good deal from SK by taming NK.

You didn’t understand. Russians reactors, offered now commercially, for domestic and foreign utilites are VVER (wich are light water reactors, or more preciselly the equivalent of PWR in West). What I meant was, that even if the Russians are very good in “exotic” reactors (they even sold fast breeder technology to Japan for ~ $ 1bn.) those are in experimental stage except one (BN 600). So, up to now they are not (yet) interesting for customers for various reason (safety, proliferation risk).

Currently what is offered is left over technolgy from previous times. It is no indication of where future lies.

Not in this case it wasn’t. And I’m sure it wasn’t an isolated incident.

how can this be? Colation has huge AWACS cover in addition to Satellites. And there were alteast 3000 sorties per day. i am not even going into heli sorties.
they could have easily spotted Iraki formations and supplied all the maps/lacation of irak armour. Coaltion armies were not advancing radomly in the desert. they had 30 days of full aircompagin behind them.

looks like the 15k figure has made some people realise the Russians didn’t do to well at all and closed the argument…

so do u think any Western conscript army with similar funding at a time and similar opposition will do any better?. They did quite well considering the amount of money available (hence costly force protection procedures avoidence). West armies over spent on small conflicts and drag it for years because of lack of aggressiveness to take risks.

container size is more or less the same whether it is by ship/truck/train. U have to look at Russia/China trade. do u think they are using second world era trucks for such huge volume.
current Russian oil is transported by train not even by pipeline
u dont have to pay port charges, loading and unloading at point of origin and again on destination into trucks from ships & very slow moment
Russian strategy is take all this Asian trade out of ships into overland.

I work for (actually partly own) a company whose buisness (one of it anyways) is to consult Defence Companies , governments etc (among other things .) Although I no longer work on the Defence and Aerospace aspect of the Buisness but Have done so for Many years and I can tell you that Neither Boeing , Nor its competitors take anything for Granted .

I have never felt an attitude (and i have worked on the tanker program for boeing some years ago) that ” They are due ” For the next big one .

Boeing Lost the fighter competition because well they didnt have a product on the table that was competent enough or could demonstrate to the DOD what they expected (Which ever explaination you want to believe but let me tell you the truth is not what is openly known) .

Boeing bid agressivly on the Tanker deal , Fought hard for it both interms of pricing and lobbying . They were expected to win but they gave it their best . No exec or program managment will go into a multi billion dollar deal with such an attitude or else they better be -considering a new occupation because the industry is pretty cut throat . Few years ago (not many) everyone thought that boeing has many years lead over competitors in the feild of UCAV’s however LMA , NG and other manuf. are catching up and well when the J-UCAS mess is sorted out boeing may even end up loosing that one .

I have done so in the past and will do so again ie . reiterate the fact that boeing as company needs batter managment in its defence sector . A lot of the program level , integration level managment is not up to the mark (As compared to competitors) . I have worked with them on many occasions (advisory and consultancy mostly) and have felt this . I was the first to raise this here when the Wedgetail debacle happened and will do so again . BOEING needs stronger managment at the integration level and much better communication .

Boeing also needs far better management in Civillian sector. 787 looks very promising Product but business model behind it? How boeing is going to deal with International suppliers in Eurozone/Japan etc when so much of product is outsourced & cost of big currency fluctuations along with transportation costs & constant managing of suppliers at far away places. & expectaion of suppliers for there own profits.or they are going to rise price of 787?.
They would have been far profitable if every thing was done in house at one central location assuming the size of orders.

http://www.managingautomation.com/maonline/magazine/read/view/Boeings_Big_Supply_Chain_Wager_17760261?page=2
Beginning with the 787, the $62 billion Chicago-based company has decided to transform itself from a vertically integrated enterprise that does most of its own product design, supplier management, manufacturing, and integration into a more virtual enterprise that relies heavily on partners and suppliers

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/dev_team.html
Whil i am not expecting Boeing going into business of Panasonic entertainment, Bridgestone tires, Jamco lavatories but every thing relatd to Aircraft structure should be in house.

Look, how many times do people have to spell it out for you? China, India, South Korea and others have done exactly what the USSR and Russia did, they’re using external technology transfers and technical assistance to massively accelerate their own development. That doesn’t detract from their achievements. Did Russia achieve nuclear controlled fission first? No. commercial nuclear power? No. Heavier than air flight? No. The steam turbine? No. The gas turbine/jet engine? No. The industrial revolution? No. The internal combustion engine? No. The computer? No. The list could go on, nobody here would see that as detracting from subsequent Russian technical achievements but it pulls the floor out from under the feet of racist half wits who claim that China, India, South Korea etc. following the same path of technical development proves they’re less intelligent and incapable of true achievement. I mean, what a co-incidence that the Soviets just happened to build a bomber that was identical to the B29:rolleyes:

And u simply are not capable of comprehending what i am writing. I never claimed that Russia/Soviet achive first (which is not possible in most instance because of lack of financial system) or they didnot look outside observation. The point is They did not Recieved direct foreign investment nor millions of there people worked & Study in West to bring back Western ideas/Knowledge/Management traing. Soviet/Russia immigrant became part of West not to come back & create outsourcing trend to the same companies where they worked. But there is direct transfer of Science/Maths knowledge from Russia to West spanning over centuries. Just look at some Nobel Prize winner. Even in economics field (which presumbly they should be weak) russian born US got nobel prize.
I have never raised the B-29 bomber issue the same way like MIG-21 with China but here is again point how long they building B-29 & how long China building MIG-21 clones.

I’m not sure what you are talkin about here.

I am sure you wont understand it.

right, the Russians don’t know how to do business in a civilized manner. There is nothing that Adm G has that better carriers don’t have. Which goes back to the original topic that Vik is a rip-off.

Business in Civilized manner? This pretty much standard practice for them. Increasing price with time but delay is because not enough workers are there on particular project. as they have other Strategic projects like building ground work for conquering Arctic.
Rest of the world should be glad that Russia is not enforcing its its IP price on the rest of the world for Past 300 years Scientific achievement.

what does that have to do with it? The Chinese shipbuilding industry is light years ahead of its aerospace and auto industry. The carrier project has already started and we will probably see photos coming out of Shanghai in a couple of years and it will be ready by the time Chinese naval flankers are ready.

mass production of commerical of ship is labor intensive low end work just like making Tall building. there is no such thing as light years. and aircraft carrier does not take more than 3 years from Start to finish if finances are there & you know how to build it.

the Russians are only offering more goodies now than they did before. You think they offered su-35s 3 years ago?

so when this Su-35 project started? it is pretty old story. Development was slow becuase there was no demand for expensive flanker but now they have attarched it PAK-FA project for training workers for mass production & pilot training for 3D TVC.

yeah, that’s because it’s making so much money on these exports. The J-10 avionics designer actually told everyone that the J-10 exported to pakistan will be 50% more expensive than the domestic ones. You clearly have no idea how cheaply China is building its fleet right now.

This complete nonsense. First there is no settlement of avionics or contract price. and China is not building stuff cheap thats why even Thailand can export Toyota cars. there is minimal price difference in high end stuff. Even laptop computer price between Malayia/Japan/Taiwan/China has harld 20% price difference.

The current generation of gas turbine developed in China actually has better numbers than the Ukrainian ones if you ever checked them out.

from the official avic1 website
http://www.avic1.com.cn/chinese/xwzx/detail/20080104_9.htm

And Ukriane spent that great amount of money on Turbines R&D in past 15 years.? offcourse China can directly learn from Siemens/Powemachines. Nothing special. This turbine based on MIG-31 engine. Essentially early 70s Technology. Ur whole technology is based on mix& match collection from rest of the world. Even the CFTE simulator comes from 1989 made Russian company.

http://www.avid.ru/eng/advanced-developments/modifications-d-30f6/D-30STU/
Version III :

rotation direction : counter-clockwise, other data according to version II.

Length of the engine (from the inlet up to a flange of power turbine shaft): 6.4 m.

Year of service entry : 1997

Customer : CATIC, PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

I need english translation for your link. I want to see the customer Is it private or public.

That’s why they split it amongst 3 shipyards and none in Sevmash. In fact, the Russians had more experience building it for China than for themselves.

why they have to put up with diesel SSK when there main task is atomic and now even more atomic since they want to explore Arctic. and Russia certianly export 3 Kilo to Iran & 8 to India. plenty of export experiance.

http://www.sevmash.ru/?lg=en
FSUE «PO «Sevmash» is the largest ship-building complex in Russia, the only shipyard of the country, the main task of which is atomic submarines building for Navy

Yes, every carrier is unique, but there is nothing unique in terms of capability. If you don’t like the price and delivery schedule, don’t agree to it.

It is unique interms of capability. Just think over it. and Russia like contract in early 2004 but not in 2007. they did the same way with Noraway. Chemical tankers will be built and will be sold at Market price to highest bidder. Dont try to automatically apply worldwide business practices to Russia.

http://www.sevmash.ru/?id=3872&lg=en
Thereby FSUE PO Sevmash notify that chemical tankers construction, Project P-668, will carry on. The works on the vessels have not stropped and are going on at the moment. Upon completion the vessels will be put up for sale at the market price that will result in a break even project

right, we can.

No u cant. thats why all Civillian airlines in the world are Chinese made along with all VW cars from past 20 years?

They were definitely offered after peace mission 05 and China showed no interest

definitely offered? and 2005 was 3 years ago. here things changes with in days.

That I can believe after seeing the way you ripped off Venezuela, but then again, 1 export Yuan will probably be the price of 2 export Yuan.

Nope. 1 export Yuan will be cheaper than 1 domestic going by other export stuff. i can even say that China will offer generaous export loans with flexible payments.

You have the IP, but it takes time and money to build the factories and train the people to build these trubines.

They are not reiventing the same wheel. They are going into different generation.

QC-70 is derived from WS-10A and QC-128 is derived from WS-9. That’s fine, by they delivered 3 QD-100 gas turbine electricity generators to Kazakhstan in this past year, not a bad job from these stupid Asians, huh?

link please and purpose? Bought by first class service company to power or some poor who cannot afford nothing else.