it’s probably far cheaper for China just to buy it rather than trying to RE it. Look at mi-17 for example.

The days of buying cheap things from Russia are over. it is far cheaper to produce this kind of thing in China.

That’s nonsense. I would trust the British press a lot more than either the Chinese or Russian ones. That doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes, but to imply they’re somehow “especially unreliable” on China/Russia because critics live here is not logical. Making vague comments about “spy and dissidents” is childish.

If you want to say any newspaper report from anywhere should be taken with a pinch of salt, no problem.

What I find interesting is that the article implies China is still essentially laying claim to parts of the Russian Far East, despite the fact officially it recognised Russian control of it some years ago. I thought that China had given up its claims, but maybe it was an act – certainly some Chinese I have talked to don’t believe China honestly gave up its claims back then, or at the least a future Chinese government could still assert its rights over it.

where i quoted a Russian press. i am referring to official statements and policy papers of russian offiicals. and they dont make policies based on journalist opinions or some dissident living aboard. they have vast intelligence network backed by money. they know alot more than what comes out in news media and they already have made a choice.

Russia is not much richer than the old USSR. Russias GDP per head has only just exceeded the Russian (higher than Soviet average) level of 1989, with a smaller population than then. Russias total GDP is still only about 60-65% of the peak level for the USSR, & military spending is a small fraction of the Soviet level: a much smaller proportion of a smaller GDP.

Meanwhile, the economies of Western countries have all grown, & China & India have grown a great deal. Russia has much less than half the share of world GDP the USSR had. It’s smaller & poorer compared to everyone significant.

u are wrong in GDP calculation. for example how many million Western standard cars people in USSR could afford per year?. Similar is the case with almost every consumer electronic item. and just sushi in resturants will make a big difference.and millions of tourist both in and out bound. USSR had a false GDP.

I’ll leave all talk of plasma to the fanboys thanks. 😀 So where’s the Chinese or Russian Coke replica? Surely the could copy something so simple as a couple of ingredients and sell it to the masses couldn’t they? After all it’s been around for. . .hell, I don’t know a LONG time though. I’m sure Russia has looked at the guts of the new quad-core processors and so forth, where are their fabs to compete with Intel and AMD? Oh and just an FYI if you go up and touch a Raptor pretty much anywhere except the landing gear and nozzles you won’t be touching an aluminum or carbon fiber surface.
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Intel Quad core processor is designed in Israel and so is 64 bit processors pioneers and so is Pentium and so is top software coders.
i am sure u know the past 200 years immigration pattern which is going to change as Russia gets wealthy with Capitalism and hot weather of Global warming.

would the Russians have been so kind as to renegotiate if the Rupee had infact become weaker against the US $ making the MKIs more expensive? I think not. The deal was negotiated and an escalation clause was included to cater to such devaluations- this is what the Russians wanted changed, well into the contract fulfilment period. They threatened with foreclosure of the deal knowing fully well that India would not invoke penalty clauses, since the IAF was already having falling squadron numbers and was very happy with the MKI itself.

well its India that compressed the delivery schedule and want to buy off the shelf based on decade old prices. once u modify one part of contract be prepare for other parts modification. and it is not just currency but tremendous increase in russian wage, energy and material price growth that makes things expensive to build.
here is current Flanker cost. Even with high price fuel cost. Su-35 will still be cheaper than any western jet over life cycle.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2007/07/23/003.html
The Air Force declined to give a price estimate for the exercise, but Magomed Tolboyev, one of the country’s top test pilots, suggested that it would cost at least $216,000. Tolboyev said it costs the Air Force $12,000 an hour to fly the Soviet-designed Su-27, a double-engine delta-wing combat jet, Obshchaya Gazeta reported Friday. Tolboyev said the plane guzzles 5 to 6 tons of aviation fuel per hour, and the fuel sells for about 20,000 rubles ($790) per ton. Other expenses include airport landing and takeoff fees and air traffic control

Evading a BVR missile, what properties of an aircraft would help? Do smaal agile aircraft has advantage in evading a missile?

u have to look at MIG-31 and F-22. Ability to fly higher and faster than the rest with massive internal fuel capacity.I doubt they can be shoot down with BVR if proper situational is already provided.
Another example is Su-35 and MIG-35 3D TVC. ability to change directions from headon to tail chase abruptly. Su-35 is the optimal solution with increase fuel capacity for using afterburners at right moment. Small aircrafts are irrelevant.

Due to limitations in Soviet naval power.

Unlike the Soviet air forces and Soviet army, the Soviet naval surface fleet (as opposed to the Soviet submarine fleet, which was a different matter) was considerable less well equipped and smaller than the NATO forces. It was probably felt that the provision of supersonic anti-ship missiles would somehow address this imbalance.

I dont think Soviet naval power was limited. they had those Backfires and Su-24. Western Navies would have hard time in defeating Soviet surface with those small short range subsonic missiles when all aircraft carrier fleet is involved in defending against bombers.

And this proves to you that the Su-30MK2 is 20% heavier than a UBK for you?

For a plane to gain 20% more weight just to be able to lift 8000kg from 6500kg I think speaks of designing incompetence.

Go ahead and show the chart, if you please, since we know how often you distort stuff.

Su-27UBK does not lift 6500kg. It is original 4000 kg. the chart is on this form.

So to make your point, you need to compare aircraft from two different generations? How does that prove your point, eh? Only marks you more as an idiot.

thats my point Starfighter and F-4 phantom are of different generations.

What an idiot you are. Nuclear weapons are heavy. To carry a whole load of them means all sorts of structural reinforcement.

But you have 4 engines to carry like passenger aircraft with cargo.

What a joke. Repeat that for everyone in the board to hear so they can know how stupid you are.

I would have to say every airforce and aircraft manufacturing firm would disagree on you on that.

You don’t even know what the meaning of the word COMPLEX means.

Go on, keep saying, the Starfighter is more complex than the Phantom, the F-16 is more expensive than the F-15, the MiG-21 is more complex than the B-52.

this thing hasnt been disaproven.

What a moron. Modern manufacturing also makes simple household goods. You cannot even imagine all the automation needed to even make even a simple plastic bottle or even an aluminum can. Modern manufacturing actually has less pollution than smokestack industries

It is not just airpollution but discharge into ground and land fills. I am not going into coal based power generation.

Is this some kind of a joke? Are you for real?

Forgeting that the Blackjack and the Backfire has complex variable wings? Four engines? Intended to carry lots more stuff? Rotary launcher for at least six to eight cruise missiles?

so does MIG-23 of same generation.

You really are full of crap coming out of your ears. Was there any BIG order iin the 10,000 unit range made at the start of the MiG-21 program?

They are made in the thousands from lots of orders all throughout the years because the plane is CHEAP in the first place. Not made cheap because there is a huge volume order at the start.

Do u think there was no Central planning in Soviet Union. they already knew how many they are going to produce. the factory size speaks for itself.

Another idiotic statement from you. The more you go, the more stupid you are becoming.

Tell me, how you can make fuel storage in the first place. From the excess thrust of the second engine, huh? Can “thrust” allow you to compartmentalize a wing or a fuselage for intended fuel storage? Where do you think fuel is stored in? Any empty space inside the plane without proper sealing, pumps, pipes and other plumbing?

U can have larger fuselage and body. Twin engine make things easier.

There is more. That’s the figure around 2002 and does not count the crashes after that.

so show those Bison figures.

Lol. They must have deduced this from the original Russian provided plans and aircraft.

You are laughable.

And I laugh at your sheer stupidity.

How is the Russians fortunate? Debt? You actually have debt because you also borrowed money from the Chinese, and continue to do so, even if that is ever reported. One entire order of Su-27UBKs is payment by some of that debt alone. You don’t have rule of law—every business journal comments on that. The country seems run by the Russian mafia. There is no protection for businesses because Putin and the governmenet will do anything they want. The country is racked by double digit inflation, and has a very high unemployment outside of the cities. You are fighting an insurgent war for years which you are not winning.

every business Journal.? they are lying. Russia net investment this year surpass China. about insurgent War. have u seen the Victory Boulevard in Grozny. this is the reason behind that Victory. I dont want to explain further. this thing is beyond ur intellectual capacity.

Only the testing is done in Russia, not the development nor manufacturing. And the testing is also done on the same part on three other locations—Europe, US and China. They wanted to obtain a difference of opinions for comparison.

different opinions? it clearly written they want to speed up the project so the want testing simultaneously. they dont have the capacity to build even a regional jet by its own.

Bullsh*t. It is not Saturn that is being called in to help SNECMA projects, but SNECMA being called in to help Saturn projects. Design of the SaM-146 is based on the SNECMA CFM-56.

http://www.powerjet.aero/?id=198&selt=1

Here, you can see it is SNECMA making the core engine.

Snecma brought its own money and expertize. they werent called for help. Russia already has engine D-436 for Tu-334 and An-148.

Show me the funding then.

have u shown anything.

It said 14,000 to 17000 pounds. That still makes it less power than the GE engine.

they achieved higher power in testing.

Lets see if it even lives up to that.

It already has export order from Italian airline and Alenia is investing in it.

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070613/67154384.html
Secondly, many Russian and overseas carriers have supported the project. For now, solid orders have been placed for 61 planes. Buyers which have invested in the project include such names as Aeroflot (the overall sum of whose contract is $820 million), Sibir, Russia’s Financial Leasing Company, Dubai-based Concord Aviation leasing company, and Air France. Thirdly and most importantly, the project has the backing of Boeing, the world’s largest airliner manufacturer. For the Americans the new Russian plane is no rival: Boeing just does not produce relatively small airliners that seat only 100 passengers

http://archive.gulfnews.com/supplements/dubai_airshow/main_story/194307.html
The latest contract to be announced came from Russia’s Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Co, which took an international launch customer order worth approximately $1 billion at list prices for 20 firm RRJ95 aircraft and 20 options from Concord Aviation, a start-up leasing company in Dubai.

“This is a real breakthrough which enables our Russian Regional Jet programme to open up new markets,” said Victor Subbotin, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Director General. “We truly believe that the Middle East countries hold out thrilling prospects for the new RRJ family.”

The ARJ-21 has more seats and have greater take off weight.

Also the GE engine is already certified and flying around. As a matter of fact, the CF-34 goes back a long way. It is the engine that started the regional
jet revolution and has proven military experience—it is the engine for the A-10.

Here it shows you the engine is capable up to 20,000lbs.

http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/cf34/cf34-10.html

And go ahead and compare to this.

http://www.powerjet.aero/?id=200&selt=1

The GE engine has lower SFC, higher pressure ratios, higher bypass ratio (which means better economy).

what ever GE engines can do ARJ-21 cannot be better than Sukhoi RRJ in Range, Maitainace, life span and Price and advance avioncis like A-380.Sukhoi is already a winner with international certification in less than two years and mass production capacity of upto 70 per year at Knaapo. China simply cannot produce 70 RRJ in one Year.