Greece should bribe some turkish politician millions so that Turkey buys 200 typhoons or Gripens.

Then buy 50 Rafales.

Problem solved :p

Basically, the issue isn’t just to do “first shot, first kill”, but “first shot and that’s the only shot that there will be”. As a bonus, putting your own aircraft at 90 degress towards an incoming missile is one of the best positions to dodge the missile.

That’s an interim solution at best, side arrays will take care of that during the next Rafale/EF/SH/F35 MLU in a much cleaner way. Those will also be used for ECM at the same time in all likelyhood.

Of course that’s if you don’t guide your missile by an IRST because your target is stealth, or by your ESM suite, or by another platform.

Swashplate is a dead end mate.

Nic

Yes, what i am saying is take the arab Mirage and later get Gripen.

I don’t really see the point of a Gripen NG purchase, I’d keep Mirages until I see what Turkey does with the next fighter. No need to do it before Turkey gets F35, and then maybe it would be better to source T-50s from Russia.

Nic

The Gripen gives:

– Swashsplate AESA. This as the HAF pilot in the forum said, gives big advantage in BVR, because while now you must keep closing to your enemy to guide the missile, at the limits of your radar’s coverage, risking to take response fire yourself, a swashplate allows you to guide the missile while almost flying away from the enemy.

With spectra you can do just the same as long as the enemy fighter is trying to find you on radar, but even completely running away from the oponent; Or you can let the Erieye or ground/sea based radars do the job. Swashplate is like adapting 3rd gen technology to fight the fifth gen war. Really unnecessary.

The UAE Mirage in the meantime (32 or all doesn’t matter), will allow for the A7 to retire (finally), while doing a smooth transition without new support costs and also with full weapons stock from UAE.

I love this idea.

Sadly the chances of actually buying Gripen NG are slim due to politics.

I disagree, a M2000-9 buy makes much more sense if under a low budget.

Nic

dont say that to the swedes..

Well defending the homeland from a variety of pre planned locations where you can store the needed equipment and setting up a base inside ennemy territory are two different things don’t you think?

Nic

Well austere field capability is nice and good until you have to actually deploy aviation fuel, weapons, spares, technicians and so on. As someone said already, a logistical nightmare.

It’s all nice and good to have that capability, but on the other hand how many times has it ever been used operationally? As phaid said, the one time they tried it (and in a low intensity conflict mind you), it didn’t last very long until they decided to use regular bases. I mean if it’s hairy to set up a base in a low intensity conflict like Iraq, what are you going to do in a high intensity conflict?

In case when you really really need CAS near the combat zones, you’ve got Apaches and AH1Z handy, and that’s that.

Rafale news, not Gripen news

I would think rotation of the helo is provided by the two side rotors, so if you replace them by a pusher rotor (which makes sense for all the reasons distiller mentionned, then you also need a tail rotor?

Seem like a very affordable concept with a cruise speed just 10 kts below the CV22. Impressive whatever you say. I’d like to see a cube version of the NH90.

Nic