Retiring both Foudre & Siroco would leave France with three ships to cover amphibious operations, training (including helicopters), & a hospital ship. That would be disastrous.
Well selling both Foudre & Sirocco & procuring a fourth BPC would make a lot of sense, especially if 1 or 2 more Mistral class BPCs are built for Russia, then the MN would benefit from good economies of scale while selling Foudre and Sirocco when they still have quite a lot of value.
Nic
CTOL CVF means you can add taranis once it goes online to do the very hairy missions that the F35 is supposedly so good at.
Hence a purchase of the SH wouldn’t be that bad if it is complemented by a stealth UCAV in the medium term.
Nic
It wouldn’t be a bad operation for the HAF either in my opinion.
Nic
P.S.: A generic news portal yesterday, referred that the French now ask about 35-40 mln for the upgrade of the Mirage2000, much more than the price of the upgrade of the previous batch, because “we ‘ve closed the production line since then”. The portal isn’t famous for its reliability, but it would agree with prices asked to India and would support the rumour reported by Defencenet about HAF thinking of getting UAE’s Mirage. Because honestly, at 40 mln, you get F16 brand new. Greece can’t give this kind of money for upgrade of a 20 year old aircraft.
They could be paving the way for the sale of the UAE 2000-9. Such a purchase would make more sense if the price of the upgrade increases…
Nic
Where’s flight of the intruder in that list?
Nic
Or use the F35, and have Woopie Goldberg play the “babe”.
Nic
I don’t feel very comfortable with ICBMs either mind you.
Nic
Nice, so it means Reco-NG is operational. I can’t wait to see some retex about it.
Any one knows if the Rafales are going to be doing armed recon? Can the crew exploit data from the reco-ng?
Nic
Now that’s funny. Cancel the whole F-35 program when the development is mostly done and resurrect long dead fighter program which died at early demonstrator phase? F-35 development is at least 10 years ahead of the YF-23. The result would be that you’ll end up with another expensive big jet similar in capabilities to the F-22. This doesn’t make much sense. Do you think that the US gvmt would be happy to spend billions on development of another F-22-like aircraft? Besides – F-16XL block 60/70 wouldn’t be much cheaper (if at all) than the F-35 and surely wouldn’t be as capable.
Ah I’m dreaming.
But it would have been a good choice back then. Just develop the systems and put them in the YF23.
Nic
I still think that a heavy strike fighter role could be filled superbly by a modified F/A-23. Keep the F-22 optimised only for AtoA (with 360° AESA and such), without a pound for air to ground.
Now bring in the F/A 23 Whisperer. It’s stealth, it’s FAST, it must have the range too, plus a big weapons bay. Put in EO/DAS and a an enlarged AN-APG 81.
Cancel the F-35 and buy 400-500 of those babies plus 150 more F22s and voilà. Make up numbers with dirt cheap block 60/70 F-16XLs.
Nic
I think swere’s numbers are right :confused:
What about developing a missile that drops a torpedo in the water just before arriving in the CIWS range?
Nic
The AdlA must be quite happy indeed
Nic
too ugly
So the F18 is already “there” while the Rafale needs 90kN engines to compete? I call BS on that one.
I’m sure there are currently more radar modes on the SH but besides that WTF are they on about?
Either the US put political pressure to secure an order, or the UAE went to the US to put pressure on Dassault to lower their bid.
Nic