One wonders how the Rafale would’ve fared, had the engagement started at BVR, and the Raptor approached stealthily, rather than having the Rafale pilot start with visual contact.:eek:

A smart rafale pilot would fly without the radar, trying to detect the raptors by passive means (L16 with sea, ground and air assets, OSF, SPECTRA).

So it all comes down to whether SPECTRA can detect the APG77 or not. Which is why the US didn’t want to use it in ATLC 😉

Nic

It is assumed spectra was off during the BVR episode.
if spectra was on then its even more telling since the missile launch was not detected. launch detection, jamming, Ir, where not practiced here.
You keep trumpeting IR BUt wont acknowledge that the F-22s max missile range is FAAR out of Rafale Ir range. How will the Rafale get in Mica range?
You think all 6 AMRAAms will be jammed? The Raptor can play cat and mouse from 60 feet and out of IR and MICA range. going mach 1.7 using sniper tactics.
What makes you think the The F-22 can jam and spoof? or just focus all of the AESA modules on the Rafales radar and burn it?

Maybe missile launch wasnt detected because no missiles were lauched?

Hello McFly? Is there someone there?

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Air/McDonnell-Douglas-F-4E/1684560/L/&sid=066c39134c1f2b5933b914e2a9f06d59

Awesome picture…

so an aircraft with SEAD is still SEAD without its SEAD equipment
ok, so that makes sense to you

The point is that the Rafale needs no extra equipment to do the same job as a F16CJ.

can you point out where DSI said that SPECTRA alone can be used to target an aircraft
i cant find that bit

Look again I’m not your mom.

Norway FTW 😀

If a UAE deal is signed this year, the production UAE improved Rafales could fly before the 1st production F35…

That’s AESA, OSF IT, Improved RCS, 90KN engines, HMD and maybe conformals… definately not a bad 4.5 gen aircraft.

As for weapons being outdated it’s pure BS. AASM, Scalp, Meteor, Mica are all very good and pertinent weapons.

Nic

You make the mistake of applying US solutions to the french problematic. The french have their own way of doing things and hence don’t require the same solution (towed decoy, main radar jamming for EW)… because of different choices. It doesn’t mean that their solutions are inferior.

Nic