No they don’t. They start by making a guess and refine the result as more data comes in.

Well, submarines can identify tracks thanks to their acoustic signature. Once this is done and the number of blades on the propeller is known, speed can be found by measuring the number of rotation of the propeller.

However submarines are limited to bearing and speed while planes are limited to bearing and range (thanks to interferometry technique+triangulation); I don’t know which combination would be easier to compute to get a firing solution.

I agree the whole thing is very similar though.

Nic

The problem is that Grandclaudon repeatedly says AA-10C and specifically refers to it as a semi-actie radar missile. There is therefore no doubt that they in fact simulated that weapon. The question is whether they really used some kind of STT mode or not and of course we don’t know anything about the details. Anyway it sounds like a great achievement for the French, though we don’t know the details.

I didn’t read the part where it refers to the SARH missile, my bad. It would definately be interesting to know the exact threat the EF was simulating, or if it was at full capability, and also how you say, which radar mode was used to “shoot” the alamos. RBE2 has LPI capabilities but I seriously doubt it could track an EF without being detected.

I suppose the Rafale pilots used the emissions of the EF to sneak in firing position and “illuminated” them at the last moment for the 1st two kills, and then repeated the feat against the other pair of EFs. The lessons of the exercice would be as we all know already: don’t go around with your radar on unless you REALLY need it.

Nic

I wouldn’t call Jackjack a troll. His questions are safe AND interesting, though frustrating. 😀

the only new thing one can understand from his posting is that:

1/ He hasn’t read the thread, nor the precedent, nor the rafale threads, nor the links people point to him

2/ He is too lazy to make a google search

8-1 while outnumbered 4:2 and simulating SARH missiles sounds utterly suspicious.

Maybe he was mistaken and he meant ALAMO B or ALAMO D (R27T/ET)?

Nic

I’m a fairly new member and maybe I’m out of line, but some of the Rafale fans on this board are the reason French people are sometimes perceived as arrogant. Jackjack is trying to clarify a point, and maybe its the language difference, but there is no need to tell him to stfu and stop polluting the Rafale thread. Maybe NickolASS should re-read the title of the thread!!!

A little courtesy people, please.

And you talk about courtesy? :rolleyes:

but that is using off-board data that i have already agreed with as opposed to the on-board passive targeting of a 60k ir range claim

nobody claimed “60km on board passive targeting”… so go argue that with yourself and stop polluting rafale threads with your nonsense

Mica IR and Mica EM are the same missile with a different seeker. Range should be equivalent.