no then i was saying the the f-22 could roll at a higher aoa
the rafale has a higher roll rate per second, as we have worked out
As I have worked out because as usual you talk out of your behinds and WE have to look up stuff for you. Learn to use google FFS
Why can’t US/european companies just not design a cheap/rugged workhorse of a helicopter/transport?
you are right but as i said it also has a higher roll rate angle and t2w, all 3 indicating higher performance, unless i have the wrong end of the stick
the roll rate per second is said to be similar/better than the f16, i dont know about the rafale
Let me get this straight: You’re saying that the raptor has a better roll rate than the Rafale, yet you admit that you don’t know about the Rafale’s roll rate?
That’s rich!
For the matter rafale roll rate is 270°/second
F16 is 224 from a quick google search, anyone can correct me on that?
Nic
Awesome!
That’s why i was rooting for the UAE contract. I was hoping some of the things developped for them could find their way into our rafales!
Count me in for a ride on a Rafale B 😀
Or they know, but rather avoid the fact that the source was also an official press conference from the armée de l’air; After all does the average reader know it?
Nic
point taken…
out of curiosity what would it take for the Rafale fanbase to chance its view (even slightly) of what Rafale did or didn’t do in the UAE?
Something written by someone else than jon lake maybe?
The best way would be an official statement from eurofighter gmbh or the RAF.
But we aren’t going to see that… only “various sources” (lake, messala…) are going to repeat the same rebuttal in any place that seem semi official, and as many times as possible to try to make it look true.
Nic
Found it on google. It does seem pretty capable with even a HMD; Does anyone think that if the Rafale actually wins FX, the Mica IR could be integrated on the F5M for silent bvr intercepts being guided by the R99s?
Let’s say 1 Mica IR + 1 Mica EM to be guided by R99 + 2 A-Darters/HMD for dogfights. Sounds like it would be just as deadly as the indian Bizons, if not more.
Nic
I’d like to know more about the capabilities of the F5BR, I just love the F5! What did the upgrades consist of?
Nic
Good to see the AASM ordered in numbers. Any idea of the cost of that 680 units order?
I hope eventual Rafale customers would order AASM in numbers in order to lower unit cost. With 3400 units it should get much better.
edit: I read that they ordered 300 INS/GPS and 380 laser variants. Then what about the IR version? Has it been ordered at all?
Nic
I also said we’d never use trident in the sub-strategic role, so I still don’t think we need to waste money on the sub-strategic role.
I agree one can just decide to forego using nukes in a tactical manner and just use them for MAD.
Let’s be honest if we were ever considering just a tactical strike, it’d likely not be against a peer with ballistic detection technology and the ability to retaliate in kind, otherwise the situation would escalate to strategic MAD pretty quick (as everyone always knew it would if the Cold War went hot). So if we assume that to be true and we were desperate for a sub-strategic level weapon for someone below a peer level opponent we could still use trident since they are unlikely to be able to detect and respond.
True, but say, for instance, that a missile is lauched at Iran because Iran created a dirty bomb that it detonated in the UK. How could you be sure Russia wouldn’t be alarmed by the lauch of a trident, and retaliate by mistake?
But again, I don’t think we’d ever use nukes for anything but MAD, so we don’t need to waste money we don’t have. In a perfect world we wouldn’t need any nukes, in a slightly less perfect world we’d have more money for defence and could afford to waste money on an air launched missile and launch system, but we don’t, so we can settle for what we have now.
Using nukes only for MAD is fine. I was just making the point that strategic assets can’t be turned into tactical assets that easily for political reasons.
Nic
And Trident isn’t all or nothing. It can have as little as one warhead placed, with the rest being decoys, with the warhead of variable yield right down to tactical levels. I just can’t see it ever being used in a sub-strategic role.
If a trident is launched at a foe, you can be sure the foe won’t react as if it knew it as “just” a tactical level warhead strike; such a launch would most probably trigger a reprisal of strategic magnitude.
So there needs to be air launched nukes for that reason alone. To avoid the target to detect a launch of strategic missiles and to react in kind.
Nic
What would be the impact on the unit flyaway cost?
Say 18 rafales for kuwait and 60 for the UAE.
Nic
For some reason the peruvians were able to integrate israeli LGBs, the indians managed to add existing stocks of old bombs on their M2ks during the Kargils, and also used LGBs.
Yet the greek can’t use anything else than AM39?
Give me a break Hawk ace.
Nic
my, my, what a different attitude you froggy fanboys take when the results dont suit your dream
Any particular point that you would like to reply to?