Whatever the range of the OSF, it is going to be much bigger than the range of the radar against a stealth aircraft, especially considering the fact that the RBE2 PESA isn’t known for it’s long range in the first place.

Nic

I think if the article is true, then kovy is right and the french wanted to use a soon to be obsolete radar to try and test the RCS of the F22, while at the same time the F22 wanted to test their EW suite against a PESA (which some russian planes use AFAIK).

Contrary to what toocool says, I doubt this would prejudice the Rafale’s chances in the UAE, as everyone in the know would understand the in and outs of the exercise and that the Rafale didn’t use it’s best chances against the raptor.

Oh and in the UAE I would guess that the OSF would work wonders. I doubt humidity/clouds would interfere all that much.

Nic

Robban,

I disagree with you when you say that the Rafale drops the tail when turning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWRImSlVuE

Some turns are high AOA, but in this video you can see many that aren’t and where the tail doesn’t drop at all.

I agree with you the Gripen is very agile, but I am not sure the Gripen enjoys an instantaneous advantage over the Rafale; and thanks to a better T/W the Rafale enjoys an advantage in sustained manoeuvering.

Comparing to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACDGkNa77Rs&feature=related

The gripen pilot doesn’t seem to make as aggressive a demo, and you can’t see many high AOA turns, but if you look closely you still see similar turns in the Rafale demo once in a while.

Nic

Well if they are training, why not?

If one can imagine a scenario where F-22 may encounter 4.5 gen fighters that are using their radars, then it could perhaps make sense to train for it?

Perhaps you should read the thread about DACT that somebody posted the other day…

Any way you cut it such an engagement wouldn’t make sense, unless to train the F22 pilot how to fight a RBE2 PESA equipped plane with no OSF.

I said it all along, it doesn’t make sense.

Nic

I actually rather like the MAW system, that little extra all aspect radar could be a godsend if integrated right.

But it would be detected by adverse EWS from way further than it could detect incoming threats, while an IR/TV solution would keep your quitness.

Nic

I’m afraid you may only be seeing one side of it, thanks to some (understandable) national bias. However you do seem to be coming over a little too aggressively on the issue.

I’m not greek nor do I have any links to greece. If some aircrafts constantly violated my country’s airspace I would hope that after a few warnings to said country, mine would then decide to shoot down the intruders.

Heck China went at US planes in international airspace and got away with it.

From an international perspective, neither side is really in the right, and if the Greeks start shooting down Turkish planes for what is an incredibly minor provocation, they’d be in the wrong.

Minor provocation may sometimes turn to medium provocation, and even major provocation at some point if you let them unpunished.

Imagine if NATO had started shooting down Soviet aircraft when they approached and entered our airspace or vice versa.

It’s not like it has never happened. How many missiles were fired at SR71 or U2s?

I’m no expert on Greek internal politics but are you really saying that Greeks don’t have internal political problems? Apart from the fact that every nation does, Greece seems to be having some problems at the moment (large riots last year etc) that a bit of common national pride towards an outside aggressor might help to solve.

I never said they don’t have internal problems, but I don’t think escalating things with turkey would be the best way to handle them. Different kinds of gvt and problems

Now could we please get back to topic as I and a few other have already tried? If you want to discuss this more PM me or make a thread elsewhere.

I will from now on, but then don’t bait me into replying your posts.

Nic

Step outside the conflict and look in, both sides are doing exactly the same thing, posturing for the benefit of their own people. It won’t end well, look at Argentina in 1982. They tried to divert the populations attention from internal politics, it didn’t end well, it won’t here either.

That’s exaclty what the turks are doing in my opinion, and this is why I think that a greek gvt should stop playing their game, and instead shoot any intruder to put a stop to the intrusions. I seriously doubt the greek are playing the same game if you look a few seconds at their internal politics.

Nic

Or Su 50 Flamewar