No
45.9nb is total cost of ownership.
Nic
Yes it is. Designer doesnot just use heavier part on Rafale M for **** and giggles, they did it because it was neccessary
I remember reading it was 300 kg different though
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flight-test-dassault-rafale-rampant-rafale-334383/
Yes the front section with landing gear is different + the tail hook, but the structure of the plane is the same for all versions. The structure is not reinforced, but the specific parts for the carrier version obviously increase weight.
Nic
Contrast to what Picard may try to tell you , Rafale M is not the same as the land version. Its body is re-enforced to land on carrier.
Also using your logic, how about Mirage 2000 that can do 90% mission of Rafale C , so what the point of having Rafale C ?
Wrong the rafale M isn’t “reinforced”.
Nic
All big ticket contracts including F-35 contracts include infrastructure and spares. Does the 43 billion figure quoted above include airfield infrastructure upgrades and spares?
it’s TCO. It includes everything including operations costs for like 40 years.
The only thing it doesn’t include is the cost of wars the french government conduce when uncle sam tell them to.
Nic
It would be sensible to cut the C entirely & order a few B & more SH, in order to free more budget to accelerate the 6th gen fighter development to be shared with USAF to replace F22.
Nic
How does transfering the Mirage 2000-9 line to India look like in retrospect?
Nic
Here
To be frank , your so called “various source reading” is nothing more than confirmatory bias
Then I’m afraid you ought to learn how to read.
Nic
For example India, hardly a high-cost producer, is building the latest order of Su-30MKIs at ~$75 million per unit. Do you honestly think Russia can produce an Su-35 for less than a third of the cost of what India can produce an Su-30MKI for? Think…
And in the real world MMRCA was cancelled because it was much more expensive to build a Rafale in India by HAL than to build it in France.
But let’s not let facts get in the way of your prejudice.
Nic
Where did i said US has no agenda of themselves ? I simply point out Nicolas hypocrisy when he said RT narrative is more sensible because somehow in his eye only Western governments have political agenda
Caught lying there buddy. Don’t want to be called a liar? Just quote where I said this.
Nic
Nonsense, using that logic then aircraft with TVC will be slaughtered without them ?
Thanks for bringing that up. TVC is another way to waste all your energy by increasing AoA & turn, as F22 pilots found out.
Nic
No, while they may sometimes be controllable at very high AoA, they aren’t safe and predictable to operate there, which is why the limits were set where they were.
If additional capability was available, why are they working to improve the Eurofighter’s AoA?
Ahem I talked about the Gripen & the Rafale, I didn’t talk about the typhoon. It’s not comparable because of its canard configuration.
Also, the F-35’s final limit is already set, at 50 degrees AoA. It was tested at higher AoA. (And the F-35 is hardly the first US fighter with high AoA capabilities, the original Hornet, Super Hornet, and F-22 all have similar or greater high AoA capabilities. )
What’s sad is that the thing probably can’t turn with low enough AoA, so I guess they set its max allowable AoA to 50 so it gets a chance to not get slaughtered.
I guess stealth replaces energy management, not agility as youse guys claim.
Nic
That doesn’t mean that a Gripen pilot in a highly dynamic engagement could expect to take his aircraft to 70 degrees AoA and keep it under control. All the Eurocanards have their AoA limiters set in the 28-30 range. This is because of the aerodynamic properties inherent in their designs and is not some attempt to make them fly fast…
Rafale & Gripen are controllable at over 100% AoA. They are limited around 30 because going over thirty makes the plane itself a giant airbrake, which is stupid.
When testing of the F35 is over in 2045, it will probably be limited to about 30° too.
Nic
Freedom bombs for Fallujah and war crime bombs for Aleppo. Yes. I get it.
Speaking of public relations..
Amnesty: Coalition using white phosphorus in Mosul – Middle East …
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161029-amnesty-coalition-using-white-phosp…
No wonder they don’t mind flattening the place and its population… doing ISIS’ job yet again…
the Assyrian Christian town of Karemlesh
Thank you peregrinefalcon. Yes I do talk about Libya or Iraq as example of the lies of US & EU media to justify aggression wars, but Serbia & Kosovo is maybe even worse. Such a shame.
NATO is evil, it’s as simple as that.
Nic
Well, in my experience what little material RT get a hold of that is NOT also available to Western media too often later proves to be (deliberately!) fake and taken grossly out of context for me to consider their point of view at all trustworthy. Manipulation on the part of the editorial staff is rare in Western media but all over the place with RT (unless the subject does not involve Russian interests – which in itself is telling).
FFS. one has to be retarded to take the point of view of ANY media outlet whatsoever. Just collect facts from different and contradictory sources & cross check them with other sources.
I don’t see how it’s better to gobble from one source vs another. They are all trying to fit someone’s narrative. RT as well as all western media.
Only difference is that RT’s narrative is much more sensible than the western narrative in the case of Syria, because our dear leaders want to please israel & the us and flatten Syria to install islamists there just like they did in Syria. How could the western media even have any sort of coherent narrative when the US/UK/France promote and aid terrorists in Syria while pretending exactly the opposite.
Nic