china will begin retire j7 this year. it was remove from front line service last year but now all service this year. will be replace by j10 not jf17.
“j8 is single role but cheap enough to give paf the ability to intercept quickly and shoot down su30”
Good luck with that one.
Anyways, the J-8 is archaic and has no place in the PAF. J-17 is where resources should be concentrated for now.
even if old, it has faster acceleration bigger radar and logner range missile than jf17.
china got access to mig23 a long time ago and thought of making their own version but decide against it for many reason! because it was complicated and hard to fly and single engine that time was nonreliable.
that is why china stop with the moving wing tehcnology and went for two engine
I agree that J-8 is not flexible enough for PAF requirements. For similar reasons, JH-7 would also not be the right aircraft for PAF. What is good for one nation is not necessarily good for another.
j8 is single role but cheap enough to give paf the ability to intercept quickly and shoot down su30 and mirage because of its good accelerations long range radar and sd10. that is all you really need. leave bombing to f16.
problem is those are american limited.. if paf want to bomb with out limitation, maybe jh7 is a good idea. jh7 and j8 combo for pakistan. i think china will be generous and allow pakistan to build j8 too
j10 or jf17 will be really good here. much cheaper than mig35 and they can take delivery now. plaaf is likely to phase out j10a soon
china can offer good credit
also china side with serbia on everything. china suffered too during kosovo war!
Compare that exhaust to Soar Dragon’s and it’s almost identical.
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no the exhaust is different. new ucav is rounder.
china will get this one out first before british or us quite frankly.
It is getting ridiculous with every post … What is Kashmir territory? There is no such term and lets don’t invent it. India has legal claim on PoK and area under Chinese control Aksai Chin. Tibet is a independent country which China is occupying forcefully. It is a shame that world is mute about it.
Will it be OK if Russia withdraw from all areas in conflict with China then it will become Somebody Else’s Problem?
nobody living in aksai chin. relax. its chinese territory no one hurt.
Pakistan and India are a bit too close together,
pakistan and india are neighbor so they should be close together
and the topography doesn’t help either for a pure straight line intereceptor.
j8 is not for driving on the ground so topography do not matter. it will be flying in the air. it has such good thrust and acceleration, it can intercept indian aircraft faster than any other plane in pakistan inventory. it also has long range radar to really use sd10 with
The Pakistanis tested it, and didn’t think much of the J-8 for their requirement. I recall and interview with one of the test pilots, translated from Chinese, it said it was like “a tall thin man”.
how does tall thin man fly like? such a stupid comparison
Those twin engines would also be very maintenance intensive and cost prohibitive. Could have been effective in the 1990s, at least over the Arabian sea. So PAF southern command could have been interested. Unfortunately I think the options were first F-1s, when that didn’t work out, they negotiated at length the M-2000s, that deal fell through because the PAF refused to allow bribery, which
get used to it. all new 5th gen chinese airplane are twin engine for safety reason. you dont like what we make, go somewhere else… if you can.
j8 can be use for cap. the upgraded j8 is on par with mirage200 but the j8 has longer range missile advantage with sd10 and better range.
but mirage may turn better at the first turn so it is important j8 shoot first which it has strong advantage.
i am surprise pakistan did not order j8 yet, it can be good rpelacement for their early f16
maybe you can say, can pla defend its territory from iaf?
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Its very widely reported for a very long time, confirmed by many top PAF officials on the record. A simple google search would have saved you embarrassment.
China, Pakistan Agree To Produce New Fighter Jets -FT
05-09-05 04:33 PM EST
NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Pakistan and China have agreed to start joint production of a new fighter aircraft intended as a replacement for the aging French and Chinese aircraft used by Pakistan‘s Air Force, the Financial Times reports in an article on its Web site Monday, citing a senior Pakistani airforce officer.
The agreement, the newspaper says, comes only two months after the U.S. offered to sell F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan, reversing sanctions applied almost 15 years ago in protest at Islamabad‘s nuclear weapons program. The first four of the JF-17 “Thunder” aircraft would be delivered to Pakistan next year for trial flights, while the supply of a total of 150 aircraft would begin in 2007, said Air Vice Marshal Shahid Latif, director of the JF-17 project.China‘s Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute is the architect of the JF-17 while its prototypes, first flown last year by Pakistani test pilots, were made by the Chengdu Aircraft Company based in Sichuan province, according to the FT.
”The (JF-17) project is not only of strategic importance to the air force but it has far-reaching implications both for the national defense and economic prosperity of Pakistan,” Air Vice Marshal Latif said in a rare press briefing, according to the FT. Pakistan and China were planning to produce at least 400 JF-17 fighters, with the balance of 250 of them on order for China‘s airforce. Pakistani air force officials said that, under the agreement between their two countries, half the fighters would be produced on an assembly line in China while the other half would be made in Pakistan.
A Pakistani government official said the JF-17 project was being pursued with a view to exporting the fighter to other countries once the aircraft has established a service record with Pakistan. “It‘s the first time China plans to export the JF-17 to another country and Pakistan‘s experience could help China with its future marketing efforts,” he said, according to the newspaper.
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05-09-05 1633ET
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that is old news from almost 10 year ago. china do not need jf17 because j10 is replacing j7. and j31 will be replacing j10 already!
jf17 is a project china design for export that is all.
looking at recent pictures we can assume j-20 has much larger bays and is likely able to carry more stuff internally
but china sucks at engines and pak-fa will probably get better t:w ratio and is more likely to be a supercruiser than j-20 which is a big meatball.
i know china is not so strong at engine right now but they are working very hard on it with new engines. they is not standing idlely by doing nothing.
Imho a relatively cheap single engine fighter is exactly what MiG needs to survive. A single Al-31, 117s or whatever .
that is the j10!! single engine al-31 but will be ws10!
china knew it owuld be cheaper to have two aircraft using same engine. cheaper.
Interesting that while the JF-17 is supposed to be a joint Pakistani/China project, the type has not entered service with the Chinese.
Dar Ken,
thank you for the interest in Chinese aivation. jf17 is design for pakistan not for china. pakistan need some ability to produce airplane bythemselves and replace j7. its important for pakistan to do this during a war.
but pakistan doesnt have the knowledge to build modern airplane so china had to help design for them. but jf17 is water down airplane.. it had to be made within pakistans technology skills and engineering ability so jf17 is dumbed down for them.
in china modernized j8 is still superior to jf17, that is why they do not buy any jf17. j8 has more engine power, accelerate faster, more range, stronger radar and more bvr ability. only weakness is turning.
The IOC is 2021.
Internal weapons bay for four AMRAAMs only.
Well, it is not really Eurofighter sized.
wow look almost exactly like j31
but why only 4 missile?
j31 can carry 6! 3 in each bay