Hi Guys,

I think we are getting off-Topic 🙁 to start up the issue again here is a post which i read in pakistani defense forum I Think this chap knows something????

“Hello guys,

When this issue first came into light last summer, I gave u very credible information to which Mr. Chursy agreed to. Please allow me to clarify again and I hope one and for all.

There are two types: AAM and AGM. Both are long-range, and obviously BVR. [If its BVR, that does not mean it is AAM]. PAF has intentionally created ambiguity and confusion as to which one is which. This was even done during the tests. Both AAM and AGM were fired from the same type of aircraft [Mirage] within short timespan of one another over the same location. As I know it, for Public Release of Information, the PAF gives both AAM and AGM the same designation. This was agreed to by Chursy. Dawn and ordinary people have once agian been victims of this ambiguity.

Along time ago, USAM posted a script from JANES AIR-LAUNCHED WEAPONS [42] which said that H-4 is a BVR AAM. And as far as I know, H-2 is not.

Hence, H-2 is a pure AGM weapon with a 60 km range. However, the H-4 is designated for AAM and AGM for public information. Its AAM version is called the V-4 within the PAF, which is based upon the T-darter. The H-4 is based opon the MUPSOW with extended range due to rocket boosters and other modifications posted earlier. This is evident from my earlier posts when I said that a rocket powered version of a long-range AGM was in works. My information is very very credible and I have seen photographs of all three weapons: H-2 and AGM and AAM H-4.

regards – PAF Shaheen “
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Now that realy change the Indo-Pak air war scenrio, guys what do you think are the possibilities..if Pakistani`s did have T-Darter Copy(Offcourse they say its Home made) remmeber Ghauri 1 SSm (a copy of No Dong I/II) ..what are the effects..and by the way I think SD-10 issue OOOh Boy..I just Can`t understand that, Why T-Darter if you are getting SD-10:confused:

BiG Words ..

Cheers

MiG_Master

Hi, Troung

No Offense was intended..If you felt that I in some way insulted you ..Then I am Very Sorry!!!

One thing that I Might say that I insterted your sentence only due to that i found it intersting maybe some chaps here new anything here….

Well please take it in Good Heart..
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I just wanted top clear things up a bit ..

What i See is One Air to air weapon T-Darter Modified and other is MUPSOW..

Then again My Appologies..

Cheers

MiG_Master

Hi,

Ok..if H4 is R-Darter !! the H-2 is MUPSOW!!

People..we need some Specs ..

T-Darter
R-Darter
MUPSOW!!!

Only then we can Solve the Puzzle

Wolverine:

Who said AIM-7E4 came to Pakistan Via US..?? Tom Cooper Made a Mistake in Checking wrong side of the road..we have a friend who could do any thing to get his hand on a No Dong SSM aka M11 aka Ghouri 1 😉 1992-93 Not much in quantity but non the less enough!

Cheers

MiG_Master