The possible Lancaster crashed in the time of 24.03.1944 near the village “Gossel” in ThΓΌringen. The aircraft exploding short of the crash. Some crewmember bailed out.
Here a link to a picture of the propeller:
http://www.gtgj.de/script/pic2/zoom/1392_600.jpgThanks at all !
Nils
Nils,
If it was March 1944 it would not be a Lancaster B.VII or B.X
I don’t have the Bomber Command Losses book but you can see roughly what aircraft were lost on that day here: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/mar44.html
As for the propellor gear and part numbers – I don’t know anything. I expect someone else here has the answers. π
Rob / Kansan
Thanks,
yes, that is what I mean.
Was this ammunition only used in the Lancaster, I mean in Bomber? Do you know at what version and year?
It was found in Germany a propeller of a crashed aircraft. It is possible that was a Lancaster, but the people found some .50 BMG ammunition in the crashsite…
It could be a Lancaster. It might have been a B.1 or B.III with a Rose turret in the rear or even a B.VII or B.X with a Martin mid-upper turret – they also had .50 guns. I think it would be a late production Lancaster from late 1944 or 1945.
This is a very long shot – do you have any idea of the intended target from the crashsite? That might give an approximate date for the bombing raid and make a later Lancaster a possibility.
I’m sure Peter could tell us much more.
http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/airgunners3.html
Some of the later Canadian-built Lancasters, including the museum’s aircraft, were equipped with the American built, electrically powered Martin 250 mid-upper turret with twin .50 calibre guns. Few, if any, of these saw service.
Rob / Kansan
Almost on topic, is there anyone out there besides me who recalls a play broadcast on the BBC in the early seventies or late sixties which was “set” (if you can call it that) at a cricket match while at the same time discussing the Battle of Britain? It was in a pretty empty studio, featured just two actors dressed in cricket whites who played all the parts. One piece I can recall clearly was the guy who was about to bowl saying “My ‘plane is a Messerschmitt 109 E-3” and then cut to the batsman who said in an oxford drawl “The kite I’m flying is a Supermarine Spitfire Mark 1a”. I seem to think the batsman played a sweep shot which symobolised something.
Cannot for the life of me remember what it was called. I do also remember the on-screen romance between the RAF pilot and a girl who was of course played by the other bloke. The screen kiss was a bit much for the assembled family and was watched in pretty embarrassed silence. π
Anyone else?
Rob / Kansan
Is it correct, that the latest version of british a/c was installed with guns of 0.50 BMG ?
I have no details found in some manuals…
Regards
Nils
There was the Rose (rear) Turret in the later Lancasters which had 2 x .50 instead of 4 x .303. And the later Spitfires (E wing?) had 2 x 20mm Cannon and 2 x 0.50.
Is that what you mean?
Rob / Kansan
Rob / Kansan
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=95985
Martin,
Have you by chance got an explanation for the presentation inscription on that P-47? From where I’m sitting “K of P” is the “Knights of Pythias” – a Masonic organisation. Is/was this a “pre-owned” P-47 being shuffled off to the USSR or was it a new one at the time?
Rob / Kansan
FWIW
The generally revered DH.82A Tiger Moth was referred to by my Dad (and presumably some other people at his ITW or whatever, I dunno) as “Fabric and F.A” though this was more of a comment rather than a nickname.
Gavin Lyall referred to the Vampire as the “Vamp”
And don’t forget ordnance based contractions of proper names e.g. “Torbeau”, “Hurribomber”, “Whirlibomber” etc.
Rob / Kansan
OT – other towns’ warbirds
This is OT but in the September issue of FlyPast there was a pic of a B-24 called “Joplin Jalopy” (B-24J-1-FO 42-50535 “GJ – O-bar” of the 506BS 44BG) – an operational veteran which survived the war and somehow ended up at the Joplin Regional Airport in Joplin, Missouri – about 30 miles from where I now live. (And I only found this out thanks to FlyPast)
However that’s where the similarity ends because “Joplin Jalopy” was scrapped in the 1950s, according to the article. I am now going to make some enquiries locally to see if anyone has any pics of it while it was there, and of course how it got there and how/why it got scrapped.
This could easily have been Memphis Belle’s fate.
Rob / Kansan
I had it down as an HB Viva 1966-70
Moggy
Nah, the HB Viva had that funny crease lower down the door – whose opening was a little more angular. It looked to me like my old 1968 Mark 1 Escort. (Not this specific car obviously but the model)
Of course this is from the person who couldn’t tell a Standard Vanguard from a Hillman Husky. π
Rob / Kansan
Edit – I really think it is an Escort – check out http://www.instruction-manuals.co.uk/category/cars/olysl96.htm for the cover piccy.
Would the location be somewhere in the Southern part of Yorkshire? Just a feeling.
The Memorial Association are putting a brave face on it on their website http://www.memphisbelle.com .
I have very mixed feelings about it. It’s probably one of the most significant B-17 airframes and its experience over the years embodies the whole aircraft preservation “scene” in microcosm.
The USAF Museum / National Museum of the United States Air Force have made noises to the MBM Association on more than once in the past about the aircraft’s preservation state IIRC. I wonder how long it’ll take them to get it out on display in Dayton after restoration or conservation. Then I wonder what’ll happen to “Shoo Shoo Baby”.
Maybe the NMUSAF should start pestering the Smithsonian about “The Swoose” π
Ron / Kansan
Any knowledge about its content? In this moment I am interested only in aircraft losses. If book doesn’t cover that area it is not interesting for my non-english speaking friend.
Tnx in advance π
JeT
When Mark12’s copy arrives from the USA he’ll be able to tell you! π I would assume it does not go to the level of detail your friend needs but I could be wrong.
Rob / Kansan
Kansan,
I ordered ‘Air War for Yugoslavia’ from the US on Abe’s yesterday. $30 USD for a mint example, plus postage to the UK.
Is the Grub Street book basically the same book but just published in the UK.
If not could you please advise what is the title and who is the author?
Mark
Oops. and me a librarian too. They’ll take my epaulettes off.
Yup, the Grub Street book is the UK edition. Viz.
Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete 1940-41
by Shores, Christopher; Cull, Brian And Malizia, Nicola
Publisher: Squadron / Signal Publications, Carrollton, Texas Date Published: 1987 ISBN: 089747208X
Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete. 1940-41
by Christopher Shores, Cull & Malizia
Publisher: Grub Street ISBN: 0948817070 (dated 1987 in other entries)
You, Sir, are a man with an eye for a bargain. π
Rob / Kansan
What you know about this book?
Air War for Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete by Chris Shores
Publisher: Squadron/Signal Pubns (December 1, 1988)
Language: English
ISBN: 089747208XIf somebody knows how much it covers aircraft losses in the area? By all sides and nations which flew over ex-Yugoslav soil.
There are used copies and a new edition available through alibris.com, being sold by used and new booksellers in the UK and USA. Priced around US$40 minimum for a copy.
The entry for the “new” edition says this:
Publisher: Grub Street
ISBN: 0948817070
Description: The air battle began in June 1940 with the Italian declaration of war. Since the war RAF claims have been disputed by the Italians, although with little evidence. The violence of the German Blitzkrieg through Yugoslavia, Greece & the invasion of Crete ensured the destruction of many records. The authors have pieced together the records & give a full picture of the Luftwaffe, Royal Italian Air Force, RAF, Yugoslav & Greek airforces in action. Includes previously unpublished photos.
Rob / Kansan
Anymore, JUST made it home shot’s of Spitfire’s outthere :confused: .
Please post them if you have any Lady’s and Gent’s π .
There are some shot-up Israeli and Egyptian Spitfire (and other) images at:
http://www.101squadron.com/101real/images.html
Some of which I freely admit I’ve never seen before.
Rob / Kansan
Just watching the news about Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, wondering if there are any classic/museum aircraft in danger of being damaged by the severe storm.
Anyone know ?
Cheers
TNZ
PS I’ll check on WIX too.
Also in Louisiana
But Katrina looks like a nasty girl so anything on the Gulf Coast and for a ways inland may be threatened.
Rob / Kansan
Thought ya’ll might like to see something from across the pond…
What pond? Oh, Lake Erie! π π
Nice pictures, Sir!
FWIW “Sentimental Journey” was in Wichita (Jabara Airfield) this weekend along with some other visitors for their airshow. No pics ‘cuz I wasn’t there. π
Rob / Kansan