If you look at the array from the JH-7A (the orange one 😀 ) he does have a point there, it is literally identical to the Phazotron Zhuk model. The attachment is diferent, but that array is literally identical to the Russian one.

If forum member X calls George Bush an idiot, what insulates the forum member X from being called an idiot by forum member Y?

The rules of the forum stating that it is not alright to personally attack member Y, that’s what!

just by adding some one in ignore list doesn’t put end to the problem

My point is that you really have no idea if it will work or not, as people are apparently not even trying it.

Look, like I mentioned a few weeks ago, we are looking into how best to deal with individuals whose only point for posting is to cause problems. We just haven’t finalized our solution just yet (we do have real jobs). So in this case I had a few options:

1. Do nothing. Then people complain that we aren’t moderating anything.
2. Punish one person. Then people complain that the punishment isn’t uniform or that favoritism is being applied.
3. Punish both people. This was the most equitable solution given the offenses and the current system in place.

At any rate nothing will probably satisfy everyone, so I went right by the book, which is what I try to do regardless. People argue that they don’t like what was done, people argue if nothing is done…hell, people even become agitated and argue when I bother to post!

SOC, I have to agree with Buraidiah here. It should not have been a equal-equal guilty charge…when he starts putting in LCA* (* Limited Capability Aircraft) you have to question his posts.

Yes it should have, according to the forum’s rules regarding insulting other members. Disparaging a specific aircraft program on the other hand is not disallowed here. If it was, there would probably be nobody left. We’d have banned everyone else for using such amusing terms like “Sewer Hornet”.

How long do you ignore the guy who’s constantly screaming from the top of the hill about nothing more constructive than Lame combat aircraft.

If you put him in your ignore list, his posts won’t be displayed when you view the forum. I mean ignore him in that fashion.

[color=red]Nick_76 and Buraidah, you each have an infraction point for your back-and-forth bit above, which was deleted. Let me explain why this went down. What Buraidah did in post #365 is perfectly fine. The correct response to that is what Abhimanyu did in post #367. When you take it to a level of constant back-and-forth that ends up with insults being tossed about, then we have a problem. And yes, if one person does it and you respond in kind, you are just as guilty of a rules violation as he is. So from this point forward, if you don’t like a certain user, just simply ignore them and don’t respond. Why is that so hard for people to understand…[/COLOR]

This could be J-11A. Certianly no evidence of multirole Flanker with 8 tons Payload.

No evidence only if you discount the characteristic external features on the radome of the J-11B :rolleyes:

Antenna showing in 2007 is certainly of different color and design than what was supplied decade before.:rolleyes:

Well then I guess it’s not a Zhuk copy then, is it?

JH-7 is specifcally mentioned in Flightglobal. F-8M is separte issue.
you can see a little redish one and also with 4 holes.
http://www.phazotron.com/en/military.suvo.html

Do you mean the “little reddish one” at the top of the page? It’s the exact same radar in the bottom left of the series of images, just recolored for the banner on the site :rolleyes: It does, however, appear to be identical to the antenna the Chinese guy is working on, apart from the fact that the actual mounting is different. But is that a J-11B? No. So it’s still irrelevant, as I haven’t even brought up the JH-7A, I was referring to the radar set in the J-11B! Still no proof that it has anything whatsoever to do with any Phazotron product! It does make for a pretty credible case that there is a Phazotron-related set in the nose of the JH-7A, but again, that has nothing to do with the issue at hand, the J-11B’s radar.

who told you it is a pirated planar array? You think if it was a pirated copy, they would still need to test it the Y-8 radar testbed for like 2 years? Stopped making stuff up.

If they copied the Russian radar, they’d still need to do weapons integration work unless the PL-12 is SARH and uses the same interfaces and avionics as the R-27R/ER. Testing it in the Y-8 would still be sensible.

Not that I buy the “oh they just copied the Zhuk” line, either, as there is, suprisingly, no evidence to back up that claim. What likely occurred if you ask me is that they scaled up the J-10’s radar system. Perfectly workable solution.

What does Jane know? Half of its Chinese articles are rubbish.

He’s alluding to the fact that the images that are supposed to be depicting the Chengdu XXJ design bear a remarkable similarity to the MiG MFI, even moreso than the J-10 does to the Lavi if you ask me.

However, appearance alone is not necessarily evidence of anything. For example:

Moreover if u look at JH-7A radars they are orange color antenna essentially copying from orange color of Zhuk.

Yeah, and any airplane that’s black is stealth. Try again.

Like I said before: in terms of paper characteristics: Su-27BM > J-11B. Nationalism isn’t going to change that. But that makes no difference becuase they aren’t the same class of upgrade. To directly compare relative aircraft, look at the J-11B vs. the Su-27SM.

I think they could field a “J-11BM” in no more than 10 years, and that might be a little bit on the high side. They’ve already been developing TVC, and there is a big stick in the ramjet-powered PL-12 under development. The only major area where they’d then be behind is in the radar field, and I think that in no more than 10 years they could field a comparable set.

The J-11B is really more analogous to a kind of Su-27SM “plus”, with new engines and a wholly new radar set separating it from the Su-27SM’s comparatively more basic upgrade (not qualitatively, comparatively, make sure you read that right). The Su-27BM is a far more complex change to the aircraft, offering increased capability over the Su-27SM and J-11B in terms of avionics, powerplant, and weapons fit.

So, the Su-27BM would be the “superior” aircraft on paper, followed by the J-11B and then the Su-27SM, between those three aircraft. Both of them are sensible ways forward. The Chinese J-11B is a more basic upgrade primarily involving the weapon system and powerplant when compared to the Su-27BM. Both of them are sensible for their respective air arms; China needs more BVR shooters and less reliance on Russian aerospace technology, and Russia needs something to bridge the gap between the Su-27SM and PAK-FA. In that light they are both credible FLANKER evolutions for their respective users.

Now, do try to be mature and refrain from any unsensible postings!