I agree with Hatton.
As a potential aircraft builder in the making (hey, I’m starting from the bottom !! (refer General Aviation)), I find Steve’s (the real one !!) advice and comments particularily useful, and I love Sea Furies to bits !!
Please stay and keep posting, and also keep in mind, not all Southern Hemisphere resident’s are like “him” !!
Cheers
Chris
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Ok, do you peoples think I should still stick with a Pietenpol Air Camper or maybe look at a Luton Major ?
BTW Is a Major a 2-seater Minor ?
I want to build a 2-seater so my partner can fly also as she wants to go for her PPL.
Personally I think the Pietenpol is still a better looking design.
What you reckon ?
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Okay, hope this helps:
Pietenpol Air Camper
Wing Span 29 ft.
Wing Chord 5 ft
Length 17 ft. 8 in.
Height Overall 6 ft. 6 in.
Tread 53 in.
Empty Weight 610 lb.
Engine Ford A, 65-85 Continental, Subaru, Jabaru, other
Useful Load 385lb.
Climb Light Load over 500ft. first min.
Climb Full Load over 200ft. first min.
High Speed 90 mph
Landing Speed 40 mph
Fuel Capacity 10-18 gal.
Take-off Run 150 ft.
Landing Run 250 ft.
Luton Minor
Span 25 ft 0 in (7.62 m)
Length 20 ft 9 ins (6.32 m)
Weights
Weight empty 390 lbs. (177 kg)
Weight loaded 627 lbs. (285 kg)
Wing Loading 5 lbs. / sq. ft. (24.4 kg / sq. m.)
Power loading: 17 lbs./hp (7.7 kg/h.p.)
Performance
Max speed 85 mph (137 km/hr)
Cruising speed 75 mph (121 km/hr)
Stalling speed: 28 mph (45 km/hr)
Rate of climb at S/L 450 ft/min (137 m/min)
Take-off run 240 ft (73 m)
Landing run: 120 ft (36.5 m)
Range 180 miles (200 km)
Range with auxiliary wing tanks 400 miles (645 km)
Fairly comparable.
Cheers
Chrs
Originally posted by Olds Cool
Why would there be too much red tape for a replica?
If it flew in the 30’s a replica would surely be capable of flight now, and, why is there so little recognition of this achievement in this country?
Perhaps the logistics of operating a replica from the water only and inherent dangers of the fact that landing is more dangerous on water than runways would make insurance prohibitive.
Or maybe the S6 design isn’t an easy aircraft to fly.
Just opinions but I really think you would get around all of that and it sure would be a spectacle.
Olds Cool is right. Not enough recognition of this fine achievement by the British (and Italians for that matter).
True, sad that the legislation would be too great, even here in NZ also.
Dreams are free !!
Hey I checked out that Britishpathe site. Very interesting.
Thanks for that, James 🙂
Originally posted by DazDaMan
Let me get the Spitfire out of the way, first!
I tell ya, the groovy ideas are just flowing out tonight…
wait for it,…kill two birds with one stone,…Spitfire Floatplane Replica !!!
Now there’s the idea !!!:D
Originally posted by DazDaMan
Chris – I think just about the only film featuring the Schneider Cup races is First of the Few, unless anyone knows better?
Thanks, Daz. I’ll see if I can procure a copy.:)
You know, you’re right into doing a Spitfire replica,…what about an S-6B rep ?
I don’t think anyone has ever done one of those before.
Sure it’d be more limited in it’s application being a seaplane and all, but surely be novel…:D
Mmmm,…7/10 scale MC-72 replica powered by 2 x V6 car engines in tandem….thinking thinking…;)
Here’s another pic of the MC-72 engine(s) in the airframe to give a perspective.
If you already haven’t, click on the link I posted earlier to listen to the MC-72 flypast sound. It’s truly awesome !!
Tell me please, are there any movies made of the Schneider Cup, whether they be fictionalised, documentaries or otherwise ?
I really would love to see more footage of these great racers in action.
Cheers
Chris
Originally posted by TempestNut
The different sound from the Griffon is not so much that it revolves in the opposite direction, but that its maximum revs are less that the Merlin and the Valve overlap is far less aggressive, giving a different sound from the exhaust. The firing order is the same but just in reverse.
Ah yes that was it…I was nearly right !!!!
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umm,….my research has given me a huge wealth of information so far, but basically wondering what the plans are like that come from Pietenpol, ie easy to follow, pitfalls or amendments when constructing from them…
That would be great, thanks
Cheers
Chris
I’ve always been intrigued by the tandem-engined Macchi MC-72 Schneider Cup racers.
Reckon they look fast, even parked up ,….mmmm…:)
Go to http://www.lsss.homestead.com/mc72.html and click on the sound file they have there.
The noise this thing makes gives me goosebumps !!!!
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Originally posted by Melvyn Hiscock
G-BUCO is indeed very well made and Alan is a nice guy too. He is based about ten miles away.Melvyn
Have you ever been up in G-BUCO ?
If so, what was it like ?
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Cheers
Chris
Also, from memory, the Griffon has a different firing order of the cylinders which is why it has the distinctive “off-beat” sound compared to the smoother sounding Merlin.
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I’ve managed to locate an owner of a Air C(r)amper here in NZ so going to try and contact them and see if I can have a looksie up close.
AFAIK, there’s only one here in NZ.
Had another look at G-BUCO pcitures. It is very well made by the looks and the colour scheme is nice.
Hey if Mr. P. Jackson can build 5 (?) Fokker Dr.1’s then anything is possible (esp if he is behind it). Then again, his interest is WW1 aircraft but you get the picture.
And also look how well received they were at Classic Fighters.
Anything is possible give the right amount of talent, money, enthusiasm, money, marketing and above all else, money !!:D