Particle physics and basic electricity flow. Do a google.

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That is perfect. I must try to remember it.:D

bazy and Sky High…….Yes I think we’ll have to agree to differ and it will be very interesting to see how this issue turns out. As far as the matter of a referendum is concerned I would have no objection to one provided it was a serious debate on the true pros and cons of the matter and not one composed of issues such as straight bananas and its best to hate Johnny Foreigner or some such premise orchestrated by The Sun and its ilk, but I fear that is just how it would be and this is far too much an important issue to have it conducted in that way. I thank you both for an honest and constructive debate on what is for me a real ‘soapbox’ issue. And Distiller, I think you are right on the button. Cheers 😉

Agreed Interflug and thanks for the debate. And I do agree with you about the level of debate required if a referendum were to be held.

……..but it might explain why some places don’t like us ?

Undeniably. And that surely is one of today’s problems – that people continue to harbour ill-will for past deeds, in many cases perpetrated centuries ago. I find it irrational and unhelpful but, living as we do in a world where the apology by someone without a grain of responsibility for a crime long since committed and forgotten by the majority is de rigeur, it is hardly surprising.

Well Interflug…looks like we will have to agree to differ,but I think you are ignoring my point about the lack of a vote to be part of a federal europe…there has not even been a pretence of any form of democracy on that issue.
Glad you guys in Essex got some EU funding for a bypass,but at the moment we are not even maintaining our existing roads.
It is Hardly the medias fault that we have not been offered any vote about Europes direction…no I am afraid we have been misled and lied to by our politicians over Europe since at least 1970,not a good start for a Federal Europe.
I also said that we should have done the same as Norway,we only need to have close trade ties with Europe,as I said previously – the original aim of free trade etc within Europe was a great idea,the rest is yet another financial black hole to pour our money into ad nauseum.

rgds baz

I’m with you on this Bazv. I was an ardent Common Marketeer but am totally opposed to the EU. And I do not share the Europhiles warnings about the UK outside the EU. In the long run I don’t think it will affect our trading relationships, which is all that matters, but will enable us to regain responsibility for our own affairs.

Not at all. Genuine respect for the correct use of language.

And the ‘Daily Mail hysteria’ was a generalised comment, not one particularly directed at you.

Moggy

Thank you kind, sir – it is important to try to use the language correctly, if possible, although we are all guilty of poor construction, grammar and vocabulary from time to time. Expectation and anticipation is another pair….could this be the cue for a new thread??;)

Hi All

Just a little thought………….within the last couple of hundred years Europe headed out, visited lots of country’s, stole all the goodies they had and killed lots of the locals.

Most of Europe did it, creating nice little empires. I think its worth remembering.

Another thought if I may. I do feel some of our Muslims have lost some respect for the Europeans who have become secular.

We Europeans have done some pretty dreadful things in the past, we should not forget that.

Fair point and well intended, but the wrongs of the past don’t necessarily justify the wrongs of the present.