There is a lot of confusion about this issue, quite often engendered by trade mark owners themselves for obvious reasons. As a photographer and artist I take the matter very seriously and am the first to act if my copyright is infringed (actually I am not: I retain an agency to do that image tracking and lawyering). So that’s my perspective. The Vulcan to the Sky Trust (which has benefited from my gift-aided donations, incidentally, just to declare my interest) are entitled to protect their intellectual property too, and quite rightly so. That’s the starting point. Now –
Copyright and trade mark are two different things. I cannot build a Vulcan (I wish!) and fly it around in public with “XH558” written on it: that would be a flagrant violation of their trademark. Only Apple can put an Apple logo on a laptop. If I take a photo of a Vulcan with XH558 written on it flying around in public, I own the copyright in the photo. I can sell it or do whatever I like with it. I can even advertise it as a photo of XH558 because that is a factual, descriptive use of their trademark. – provided I do not misrepresent that I am associated with the trade mark owners, that somehow they benefit from my sale of the photo. I stand to be corrected but that, as I currently understand it, is the position in summary. Really it’s just common sense. The International Trade Mark Association has a good round-up: point (6) onwards gets to the meat of it –
Obviously, if the Trust do not want people photographing XH558 on their Vulcan they could remove the label or just stop flying it around in public. Oh….
GE
Thank you David.
And Steve – I have been away so have just received your book that I ordered. What a fantastic piece of work. I don’t think whoever laid out some of the pages has done it justice – but for anyone interested in Wellingtons this is a ‘must have’ resource, packed with the most fascinating pictures and informative text. Superb job.
Gary
Just a quick footnote: I won’t burden the forum with the picture but if anyone is interested the finished work is here:
http://www.garyeasonphotography.com/-/portfolio/aviation/wwii-bombers/-/medias/33be5ab7-beed-4705-843a-6a1830003ba7-night-fight
Thanks again. GE
Brilliant info, Steve – very much obliged, and thanks for the quick reply.
On with the artwork!
G
Very interesting thread. AD603 was a Wellington IC. NJG 2 JU-88C-6 were camouflaged mottled grey by that time and yes, they were fitted with Lichtenstein.
Thanks for the info, Steve: I was relying on Bruce Robertson’s ‘British Aircraft Military Serials’ (4th edition), in saying a Mk III (in a batch of 50, AD589-608 and 624-653). So I appreciate the expert input. I just ordered your book! It makes quite a difference pictorially as you will appreciate. Is there a definitive published list somewhere? It’s worrying if Robertson is unreliable: I might have got others wrong in that case.
And with NJG 2 – it would be much better for various reasons if they were mottled grey, but I have seen no photos. How do you know they had changed?
Gary
PS
PS in researching this, I noticed that a few days earlier they had been on a “Nickil raid” according to the Squadron ORB. Puzzling over what this meant (trying to find “Nickil” in Siciliy!) , I figured out it meant “nickel raid” – which I gather was the term used for dropping leaflets. New one to me: does anyone know the etymology of the term?
Ah – yep, that nails it. I love the one with a motorbike in it. Thanks.
Ah, FN5. That’s brilliant thank you. They go down the plughole! One could imagine that getting clogged … Anyway that answers the query. I need to depict some spent cases.
FN5 I believe but yes, is that what happens? Thanks.
Aren’t there chutes which exit below the guns to tumble the brass out behind the aircraft?
Moggy
Well that is what I was hoping someone could tell me. I know there are on a Lancaster, they are very obvious, but I haven’t seen them on the Wimpy. Does anyone know for sure?
Well, what a fascinating thread that turned into! Thanks everyone.
This US documentary from 1941 …
lol
Returning to the anniversary flypast: the circuit on 14 May 1943 is routinely described as “a full dress rehearsal”.
Did they carry practice weapons? If so did they drop them? And wouldn’t attacking three dams rather have given them a clue what the target was going to be … ?
I stopped by Abberton this afternoon. You can see the current state of the works:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/garyeason/sets/72157632692992121/detail/
The first two are looking north: that sandbank across the causeway is just too high to see over from the road…. The bit where the workers are plant are is roughly in the centre and is about the only bit with a view up the lake (east).
Yes. Probably the biggest known drawback with tracer. For that reason I understand some rounds are delayed to ignite a short time after leaving the muzzle, somewhat minimising this risk. Of course in the case in question the ‘targets’ were moving at more than 200mph so not an “easy” shot – but then they were also shining bright spotlights which were a bit of a giveaway, tracer or not.
Out of interest: a still of tracer being fired. I’m beginning to think I got it about right first time!