I am surprised that there are only two flying. Classic Wings magazine seems to feature the type so often (rebuilds, first flights, blah blah) I had assumed there must be at least 6 around flying now. I guess their Aussie correspondent Mr Justo must just like the Boomerang.
Isn’t there a flyable Boomerang replica in the USA? Or is that a Wirraway replica?
Did the Boomerang actually fly in combat as a fighter? Was it successful? The little I have read about the Boomerang is that it was employed largely with the RNZAF Corsairs, and the Aussies acted as Forward Air Controllers, marking the jungle targets for the Corsairs to divebomb. I’ve never read of Boomerangs in air-to-air combat against the Japanese fighters, did this occur?
An interesting little plane. Thanks for the photos.
Wow, thanks for the great pictures guys. The Whirlwind was indeed a beauty, as was it’s cousin the Welkin. What does Welkin mean? Anyone know? Is it also a type of wind? (there was a lot of wind in the RAF – Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest, Tornado, Whirlwind… 🙂 )
Thanks for the info guys. I agree that the re-engined versions are a great compromise if it means that the aircraft keep flying.
Setter, I’m glad you guys are taking care of the ex-Kiwi one, it still looks absolutely beautiful. What’s this rumour about another coming here? I hope this is true – ah, and I hope it’s isn’t coming from Britain, we’ll never hear the end of it! 🙂
Oh yeah, I love that Tempest too.
Cheers Flood. I was aware of the lovely Tempest II in RAF service, but I hadn’t considered the fact that early jets were not so good off the carriers as the Sea Fury. I’d love to see one of each in formation. I wonder if that was ever done.
Imagine a formation of Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest II, Tempest V and Sea Fury together. That would be superb, but I doubt it’ll ever happen.
What have Sea Furies been re-engined with when the Centaurus is unavailable – I notice the one in Steve Patterson’s avatar has only four blades. Doesn’t look quite right, but still nice though. Do they refit them with Corsair engines or something like that? I’m sure nothing would be as powerful as the Centaurus would it?
I miss our late NZ Centaurus powered Sea Fury very much – now somewhere in Aussie. It was thanks to the late John Greenstreet who brought it to NZ, but he never got to enjoy it really because he was killed in a horrific Harvard crash at Ardmore. Also thanks to Robbie Booth and Grant Biel that it stayed here for as long as it did before it went offshore again. It was always the most impressive machine at any Ardmore airshow, beating the P51D and Venom hands down, and perhaps equalled only by the LA-9 I saw there last year.
Did Hawkers ever design or consider any other piston engined fighters after the Sea Fury or had they reached the zenith of quality and speed, etc? I doubt you can improve on it much.
You’ve got some very interesting old photos there Phil. Thanks for sharing them.
Are the chaps in peaked caps in RAF uniform? It does not look half as smart as it did in the war and as it does now. In the ME410 photo the two on the right look like mr Barraclough and Mr Mackay from Porridge. Perhaps they’d taken Fletch out on a day trip? 🙂
Cheers
Dave
Thanks guys. Interesting list mmitch.
I was wondering, did the RAF ever fly the Fury, even if just as a trial to see if they wanted to buy some? Or were they only in the RN as far as Britain went?
Cheers
Dave
Current Rainbows wanted in order of likleyhood:
2. To help a Walrus fly again (G-RNLI – we care)
Hi James,
If it helps at all there is a pair of Walrus legs for auction at Trademe.co.nz which have come up several times and not had a bidder. The price ain’t bad, not sure what the reserve is though.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Collectables/Automotive-transport/auction-11251923.htm
Cheers
Dave
On thinking about this film a little more, I have a little hope that perhaps good things can come of it. After all Cruise is an aviation enthusiast himself, and a warbird owner. He probably has a sense of the historical angle I hope.
Michael Mann seems to have a good reputation though I haven’t seen much of his work.
And I see that the script is to be based upon a book by Alex Kershaw (has anyone read the book?) so the film may perhaps not stray too much from that, which I assume is based on the facts.
The worrying thing about the writing side is it is being adapted for the screen by a man who also wrote a Star Trek film – YIKES! I hope we won’t see Cruise boldly going where no pilot has gone before – ie into complete fictional nonsense 🙂
But yes Snapper, you’re right – there is hope that it won’t be another of Hollywood’s blunders. It may turn out to be a cracker of a film. I still hope that aviation experts like we here from the forum can try to get along to the flying filming to gently nudge the filmmakers in right directions if they need to.
And I truly hope that the film will use Hurricanes instead of Spitfires – that would make it so much more watchable even if the story is good or bad. Fingers crossed.
I’m looking forward to hearing more info on the film as it comes available, such as who else will be in it, and where it will be made, etc.
I have just read the book ‘Green Kiwi versus German Eagle’ by Norby King, who was a Hurricane and later Spitfire pilot during the war. He mentions that when he joined 43 Sqn RAF in 1942 on Hurricanes, the CO was a Squadron Leader Du Vivier. He states:
“Du Viv was in the Belgian Air Force. He’s been flying operationally, without a rest, since the invasion. He gets away with it by recording operations in his log book as practice flying. Quite a type realy.”
So this is another twist to the rotation of pilots. He must have been operational for at least two years straight.
Incidentally it’s a good book and was reprinted again last year so is still available. King served later on 485 (NZ) Sqn during the Normandy invasion, and he says Johnnie Houlton was being a little naughty in ML407 when he shot down the first enemy post-invasion, because he strayed from the ordered mission and went hunting. Interesting. I can’t recall if Johnnie mentions that in his own book.
Yep, you’re right Dan. Sorry about that. I did not mean to imply that every audience member is stupid. The way I see it is that no matter what, people still go to see bad films and pay the same amount as they would for a good film – because for many, particularly in the USA, it is a habit to go see the latest movie rather than a discerning choice.
The hollywood machine doesn’t give a toss so long as people are still paying to see their films. And that’s it, people do, despite it all. And generally the producers and directors won’t go the extra yards to get things right because they don’t feel the need to. Audiences are never going to become so discerning that they boycott films from bad directors or bad production companies or bad actors. There is little that can be done by us to persuade the makers to get things right.
Saving Private Ryan was a superb film, and Schindlers List and The Pianist are masterpieces. I actually also think Enemy At The Gates is pretty good indeed.
Windtalkers was appaullingly bad, utter rubbish, Cage and Woo should be shot. Same goes for Pearl Harbor and many others. And i can say this because i paid to see them – just like everyone else. So they made bad films and still got my money, so they are happy. And they don’t care that I’m not happy with those films.
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I’d also suggest folks start getting on the case of their own film makers to do the job right instead of being so dependent on “Hollywood”. I don’t recall seeing anything particularly worthwhile coming out of any other countries either.
Dan
I don’t know. Generally speaking, the British cinema is usually superior quality without the huge budget, as is their TV in most cases.
And as far as film industries go, the Kiwis are doing a pretty good job. And there is a major film in production here now that will be including vintage aviation too, made by a director who does care about getting things right and about his audience, so I look forward to seeing that one.
Hi guys,
I’ve been without a PC for a few weeks and have finally got it back. I just discovered this thread and want to comment. Though it is early days I don’t hold out much hope for this film being accurate.
Hollywood’s track record is pretty poor, especially when it comes to British history. But the Battle of Britain is not just a British story, it is the history of many countries who contributed to the Battle – the Americans being one of the least of all involved.
If this turns out to be another Pearl Harbor, dozens of countries across Europe and the Commonwealth, and their men who fought in the Battle, will be gravely insulted. If the Few takes the attitude – as suggested – that this no-nothing pilot from the USA wins the Battle of Britain singlehandedly, when indeed he really contributed nothing towards the ultimate victory in the Battle, I think cinemas in Britain should boycott it. And elsewhere.
And really, haven’t we had enough stories already about Americans in the Battle of Britain? Chris Hart was bad enough in Piece of Cake with his know-all whining. Ben Affleck was the living end in Pearl Harbor with his ‘Hammer Down’ nonsense (what were they thinking?!?!) and I’me sure there have been others too. I’d rather see the story of a British pilot, a true story about one of the hundreds who took part. Or if not British, a Pole, or dare I say it, a Kiwi like Colin Grey or Alan Deere – two men who did contribute to the talley in the Battle, unlike Fiske. I’m sure a great story could be told about Ginger lacy, or Bob Stanford-Tuck, or Keith Park, or even Bader if need be since Reach For The Sky was so innaccurate. Do we really want to see Cruise hamming it up as an ace of the skies who wins the Battle? NOOOO!
But despite our protests, Hollywood will still never listen to reason because like their Government, they think they know better than the rest of the world and the almighty dollar is their only goal, not public satisfaction. And their audiences are so attuned to crap timewaster flicks like Pearl Harbor, a real story would fail in the USA.
All the talk about Cruise taking a pay cut and insisting on accuracy means VERY LITTLE, as exactly the same kind of bull was bandied about in the pre-publicity for Pearl Harbor, which of course proved to be utter lies.
The suggestion earlier on the thread of picketing cinemas if this film turns out to be the usual crap is good. But I think a more contructive idea is for those readers here who are able to, could make a presense at the aerodromes where filming will be taking place, which will I assume be either in Britain or California, and try to guide the makers while they’re doing it, rather than later when it is too late. A presence of banner toting aviation afficianadoes may make them stop and think about themselves. Get the power of the press behind you and who knows what might happen.
This is of course all dependant on how the script will be. Hopefully it will be good and accurate and we nay-sayers will be proven wrong. I somehow have my doubts about that though.
I attended the Dawn Parade in Cambridge at 6.00am this morning, and it was as moving as always. This was followed by a retreat by all to the nearby pub for the obligatory cup of rum with a tot of coffee, and then at 9.00am the Civic Parade commenced, which has a longer service and the returned servicemen are joined by civil units of the town on parade from ambulane and police personnel to Scouts aqnd Guides.
Between services I met an incredible old chap, very interesting. He’d lead a Company in the 18th NZ Battalion at El Alamein and had gone through Crete and Greece, and more. He was wearing many medals including the DSO. But he pointed out another with a green ribbon and said “I’ve got a much rarer one here. It’s a Greek Military Medal. It’s the only one in New Zealand.” I felt so humbled. This guy was truly a hero who’d done a great deal for us, and he’d been honoured and reverred by many countries. This is what the ANZAC Day experience is all about, remembrance and learning.
I am so pleased to hear that Johnny Checketts still going well. He was apparently rather ill last year but puled through to full health I hear. He is one of my biggest heroes. He still works for the RNZAF even in his 90’s, as a volunteer at the museum at Wigram. He has done much for the museum, including being one of the ‘Moth Doctors’ who restored the museum’s and the Historic Flight’s Tiger Moths. Thjough I used to see him round base I never had the opportunity to chat with him. I wish I had.
I did salute him once, or so he thought. My mate and I were on our way to a parade. He was walking towards us, and there was an officer behind him, whom we were obliged to salute. We did, but Johnny thought we were saluting him. He saluted back and said thanks. I absolutely loved this and saw it as a wonderful moment, but my naive mate laughed and asked me what the heck was that old guy thinking? I said “Don’t you know? That was Wing Commander Johnny Checketts, fighter ace. I’d rather salute him any day than that bograt Pilot Officer!” He agreed once I’d explained.:)
That’s not King George VI. The King was ranked Marshall of the RAF, which is the highest rank in the RAF. He held the same rank in the RNZAF. His sleeve insignia would have been one thick stripe and four medium stripes per sleeve.
This chap is an Air Vice-Marshall, having one thick and one medium (is that even a medium stripe or just an illusion in the photo – if not a stripe he’s only an Air Commodore)
Dave
Not quite military but there is a bit of a connection, because while I was based at RNZAF Base Wigram in Christchurch, NZ, the NZ Police operated a leased Wilga from the base for around 6 months. This was about 1992. They used it for spotting dope crop plots, to free up the RNZAF helicopters that usually carried out the work.
This interesting and very odd plane was housed and I think maintained by the RNZAF for the police, but I think the pilot was police or maybe even a contracted civvie. Not sure on this.
Surprisingly this one is not mentioned on Phil Treweek’s comprehensive website that lists practically every NZ aircraft ever. I’ll have to ask him about it when I next see him at uni.
More piccies? Yes please. 🙂
So there are a few of these lovely things surviving then? Do any more fly? Have any been put into Luftwaffe colours? Have any done film work at all?
Cheers
Dave