MSR777Great pic Keith:) Shame about the subject;) Sorry, but IMO it’s just ‘plane’ ugly, a face only its builder could love.:( But I do like Marmite!
MSR777Man, with all those Gulfstreams, you’re my friend for life;) Very nice pics. Dear God, I’m even falling for the Falcons 😮
MSR777Aw thanks Neil. I flew on a Transeuropa Caravelle from STN to PMI and return with my Nan, back in 1973. Happy memories, she had never flown until she was 67yrs. old. That was on a Court 1-11 back in ’72, after that, you couldn’t keep her of the things! Her final trip was a family holiday in ’74, on a JAT DC9. God bless her, she lived to be 97.
BTW Neil, have you seen this one before? A friend of mine visiting from Portugal took the pics at the DH museum. (He works as a c/a on TAP)
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/other-scales-antique-models/93512-huge-bea-trident-cutaway.html
MSR777That is one hell of a clip:( A very sad end indeed.
MSR777That top one’s got to be a “Stansted Scandi Sunday Morning” job. Great to see it.
MSR777Personally, I prefer Planefinder. It seems to cover a greater area, especially the Middle East and North Africa. I have a friend who travels frequently on the Egyptair MSR777/778 CAI-LHR-CAI. In fact, on one of her outbound sectors just before Xmas, she phoned me from the a/c and said that ‘We’re just overflying the coast, south of Athens”. I told her, “yes I know, I can see you on Planefinder, and you’re at 34,000ft.”! It sure brings home to you how much things have changed, and at least I could remind her not to forget my duty free!:)
MSR777I’ve been there. I can only base my disingenuousness on talking, eating with some of the folk. They were no more peed off than you or I with Blair or Cameron.
Speculation on the amount of support for the Col. Only based on BBC, CNN, Al Jaz, Sky, NHK, the Chinese one, The Indian one, Russia today, France today, Fox news.
A pretty broad viewpoint, Murdoch doesn’t control all of them.
But the media thing goes both ways, and I’m sure ‘Tele Libya’ or ‘The Tripoli Daily News’ or whatever they call themselves, have thair own set of statistics and government claims. We can only speculate ref the percentage of Libyans that have access to any other media, I would be genuinely interested to know. I totally appreciate the fact that you have been there, and yes of course you can only base your opinion on talking to the locals, I am not disputing that for a moment. Back in the mid 80’s, I attended the training ‘schools’ of two east european airlines, with a view to being trained in the load control and handling of the types operated by them, and then instructing our staff back home. Obviously, there was time for socialising, and at each of the airlines, the instructors and fellow trainees were great guys, and a few good nights out were had. I can only remember one guy in Berlin who ever mentioned anything to do with politics, the subject was avoided like the plague by the others. Were the instructors part of the ‘Party faithful”? you bet, and I’m sure that you will have dealt with, and been monitored by, cadres of the Jamahiriya many times during your visit(s). And I have no doubt, that the StB and MfS monitored mine. It is the nature of the beast.
MSR777I’ve been there. I can only base my disingenuousness on talking, eating with some of the folk. They were no more peed off than you or I with Blair or Cameron.
Speculation on the amount of support for the Col. Only based on BBC, CNN, Al Jaz, Sky, NHK, the Chinese one, The Indian one, Russia today, France today, Fox news.
A pretty broad viewpoint, Murdoch doesn’t control all of them.
But the media thing goes both ways, and I’m sure ‘Tele Libya’ or ‘The Tripoli Daily News’ or whatever they call themselves, have thair own set of statistics and government claims. We can only speculate ref the percentage of Libyans that have access to any other media, I would be genuinely interested to know. I totally appreciate the fact that you have been there, and yes of course you can only base your opinion on talking to the locals, I am not disputing that for a moment. Back in the mid 80’s, I attended the training ‘schools’ of two east european airlines, with a view to being trained in the load control and handling of the types operated by them, and then instructing our staff back home. Obviously, there was time for socialising, and at each of the airlines, the instructors and fellow trainees were great guys, and a few good nights out were had. I can only remember one guy in Berlin who ever mentioned anything to do with politics, the subject was avoided like the plague by the others. Were the instructors part of the ‘Party faithful”? you bet, and I’m sure that you will have dealt with, and been monitored by, cadres of the Jamahiriya many times during your visit(s). And I have no doubt, that the StB and MfS monitored mine. It is the nature of the beast.
MSR777The aeroplane yesterday was a Rebel jet shot down by Rebels. Facebook failed on that one then!
Some post said above, “it’s all very well to take sides”. Yes indeed it is, pick a side or you never make a decision!
I will always be on the side of the civilised West against any and all tyrany. I’m not convinced however that a great deal of tyrany was going on in Libya before the Facebook rebellion. Having been there and been part of Military sales. Just because next door had a go and won, the Libyans decided to do so and they nearly got themselves wiped out.
It seems to me that there were more people in support of the Col. than there were rebelling. And that’s from all 6 or 7 of the news channels available on TV.
Moving on, the UN resolution is being enforced, and we couldn’t wait to do it.
We now need to move against the other tyranical nations, China, Saudi, Korea…………oh wait, they fight back. Still, we need the experience.
Your remark ref the opposition activists having a go just because ‘next door’ did, is IMO being a little disingenuous to them. As for there not being a great deal of tyranny going on in Libya prior to the uprising, I find this analysis surprising. All dictatorial regimes practice tyranny, it is fundamental to their longevity. Regimes such as Gadaffi’s, can never tolerate opposition, because they regard this as a virus that, if unchecked, will result in the regimes death, and it usually does. As for wether there is more support for Gadaffi than there is opposition, how can we know this? that is speculation surely. I fail to see why the Libyan people should not be as entitled to a free and democratic society as anyone else, wether inspired from ‘next door’ or not. Twenty or so years ago, was it not the people of eastern and central Europe emulating their neighbours, that helped to bring down many dictatorships? Gadaffi is a leader who thinks nothing of brutalising his own people to ensure his and his regimes survival. I’m not sure that when you visited Libya on your sales trip, wether or not their secret police, or interior ministry ‘apparatchiks’ would have been too keen for you to have seen too much of their day to day tyranny, of which you seem to be so sceptical.
MSR777The aeroplane yesterday was a Rebel jet shot down by Rebels. Facebook failed on that one then!
Some post said above, “it’s all very well to take sides”. Yes indeed it is, pick a side or you never make a decision!
I will always be on the side of the civilised West against any and all tyrany. I’m not convinced however that a great deal of tyrany was going on in Libya before the Facebook rebellion. Having been there and been part of Military sales. Just because next door had a go and won, the Libyans decided to do so and they nearly got themselves wiped out.
It seems to me that there were more people in support of the Col. than there were rebelling. And that’s from all 6 or 7 of the news channels available on TV.
Moving on, the UN resolution is being enforced, and we couldn’t wait to do it.
We now need to move against the other tyranical nations, China, Saudi, Korea…………oh wait, they fight back. Still, we need the experience.
Your remark ref the opposition activists having a go just because ‘next door’ did, is IMO being a little disingenuous to them. As for there not being a great deal of tyranny going on in Libya prior to the uprising, I find this analysis surprising. All dictatorial regimes practice tyranny, it is fundamental to their longevity. Regimes such as Gadaffi’s, can never tolerate opposition, because they regard this as a virus that, if unchecked, will result in the regimes death, and it usually does. As for wether there is more support for Gadaffi than there is opposition, how can we know this? that is speculation surely. I fail to see why the Libyan people should not be as entitled to a free and democratic society as anyone else, wether inspired from ‘next door’ or not. Twenty or so years ago, was it not the people of eastern and central Europe emulating their neighbours, that helped to bring down many dictatorships? Gadaffi is a leader who thinks nothing of brutalising his own people to ensure his and his regimes survival. I’m not sure that when you visited Libya on your sales trip, wether or not their secret police, or interior ministry ‘apparatchiks’ would have been too keen for you to have seen too much of their day to day tyranny, of which you seem to be so sceptical.
MSR777Lovely pics Peter, of an aeronautical design icon. I saw a poster some years ago of an Air France Caravelle, sharing the stand with an automotive design icon, the Citroen DS………the original that is, not the newly launched ‘portaloo’ lookalike.
MSR777Just great, well done EI:)
MSR777Her she be………….
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peamasher/2418161173/
My favourite colour on the Court 1-11s
cockerhoop, I knew my feminine side wouldn’t let me down;)
stangman and the other ‘sages’ many thanks ref info EI 747s at LHR:)
MSR777Interesting story. Don’t get me wrong, I like Fokker aircraft, and the F28 is my personal favorite. But the aviation landscape has changed quite a lot since the demise of the original Fokker company, is there really now a market for their products? I hope there is, it would give me great pleasure to see these aircraft being built again.:)
MSR777That Britannia MD11 looks a real treat in that scheme. Just imagine a Court A380, could result in sensory colour overload:eek: I wouldn’t mind betting that if Court were still here, that they would now be operating a high density variant of the A380……lilac anybody?;)
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