I believe that’s the idea of F/A-50. KAI and Lockheed design T-50 for something that can be further developed from supersonic advance trainer, toward LIFT, and Supersonic Light Fighter that aimed to fill the gap of F-5 and possible Mig-21.
The original design for F/A-50 I believe was a singgle seater with GE-414 as powerplant. Equiped with Aesa and have 9 weapons hardpoint. In sense it’s something that comparable with Grippen. With KF-X in hand, I Don’t Know if KAI have appetite to developed T-50 to original FA-50 design, or they will come out with some lower specs compromise than original FA-50 design (for the final FA-50). Because if I see from KAI sites, this present FA-50, is something that just little bit more advance than TA-50 (LIFT version of T-50), and not the original FA-50 design called for.
There was a plan and it is called F-50 and yes it had aesa and a 414. Unfortunately the government wont pay for development and buy it because there is no place in between the FA-50 and F-16 for it. So it is scraped but maybe KAI will do it for a customer but it is unlikely.
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Nice ass
SURE.. Turkish T129 has LHTEC CTS800 engines for example
Oh yeah I forgot. The T-129 bid is my personal favorite because Turkey will give us T-129 for AH-X then let us make a K-129 for KAH which is will be stuffed with surion parts and Korean electronics. Much better but it would be expensive to have that many medium attack helicopters.
Saudi Arabia is possible, when the Hawks need replacing. The UAE shortlisted the T-50 & M-346.
What happens when the UAE Master deal completely falls through? New contest?
seems no one likes the Tiger.. so why does Tiger suck so bad?
Compared to the legendary Huey/Cobra the famous Apache the badass Hind and the Aphchski Havoc and last but not least the amazing Hokum its more like that Helicopters of that class don’t get any attention unless it is a cobra.
whatever win it will be american inside…
Sureeeeeeeeeeeeee
but if Korea took Ah-64 and Ah-6, there would be no need to develop an indigenous light attack helicopter
that’s what the Z-19 is! :diablo:
Thats why koreans don’t want the AH-6 and just want the Apache+offsets and make a Light attack chopper without a base. Probably have some surion commonality but less restrictions so it is a more dedicated design.
uh those two KAI concepts are anything BUT light.
you want light? this is light
The surion attack is dropped. We will do another Surion type joint development with the AHX winner or just go it alone.
Boeing is offering the AH-6, Bell a 427/429 base and Eurocopter a Panther base.
Competitors:
US AH-64D Block III, AH-1Z,
Turkey T-129
France TigreS.Korea must not have much confidence in KAI’s ability to make its own attack helicopters
Thats like saying we won’t do KFX because of FX-3.
It is true we won’t be making any heavy attack helicopters but that is because we don’t want the numbers that warrant it So we will buy heavy attack helicopters like the Apache (Probably) and develop and Hind or Cobra/Tiger level lighter attack helicopter in KAH.
In the short term we are also getting some ASW specialized helicopters in MHX then using KNH/Naval Surion for a multipurpose ASW/Amphibious Assault.
Lol, nice find.
This is why I’m all for replacing part of the fast jet inventory of western air forces with UAVs:
– they’re much better suited for most missions modern air forces fly, like Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia…
– at a much lower price, $10 million (high class UAV) versus $50 million (low class fighter) per aircraft, $400 versus $4000 per flight hour, and a few million more for the fighter pilot’s training and safety (priceless).
– but are also extremely useful domestically, for example police, border patrol, SAR, fire fighting, disaster response…And then they insist on buying the F-35 :eek:. You can have a dozen UAVs for the cost of just one of those.
With precision weaponry and powerful sensors there is no reason not to have high and slow assets.
Two EJ200s could make it a Typhoon-sized fighter, with a comparable price tag.
I wonder if we can afford to get some thrust vectoring money or ToT wise.
That scenario I think will always be a scenario. Since realistically I don’t think South Korea will ever faced a nuclear power alone. Off course unless if that nuclear power is North Korea.
And if ROK will have to face DPRK alone (say China and US will stay out from any armed conflict in peninsula and let the two Korea’s faced each other alone), than whatever DPRK has can be match easily with KF-X or even with existing F-16 or even the aging F-5 and F-4.
Besides if the situation happen, with nuclear technology that ROK has right now, ROK will have no much trouble to become nuclear power it self in short time right ?
In short, if KF-X can come out as something as stealthier twin engine FA-50 which in theory can surpass current F-16 block 50, Flankers or PRC J-10B, it will be in trouble only if facing USAF with both F-35 and F-22.
I just point out unless your scenario put USAF or USN as potential adversary for ROKAF, then KF-X seems will be enough for ROK need. After all again ROKAF seems not plan to make KF-X their most advance fighters in the future. Just the most numerous one right ?
I agree that without knowing what the J-20 can do there are no worries.
FA-50 as Low KF-X Medium and F-35 High will be a potent force.
And after that we will have the knowledge from then on to make our own planes. KF-X will be upgraded and we should be able to make our own F-15K replacement. Along with F-35 as the speartip into the future it looks good.
Offtopic: How are the helicopter programs going? AH-X/KAH I understand but how will the MH-X/KNH work?
Korean are rapid in develop anything….
Probably just development stages are different and it is lost in translation. It IS a pretty ridiculous timetable if its the same as US or Russian design process. Hopefully it means they are super efficient and not cutting corners.
I never know Korea buy S300 missle 😮
Nope but we use a missile based on it. Same range and basic shape. Different control surfaces.
Here is a nice vid showing it off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90zO_c6xZkg&feature=player_embedded
European manufacturers would love to co-develop a new type, thus keeping their design offices up & running. They’re brimming over with ideas that their own governments aren’t willing to finance. But an intergovernmental co-development? Tricky . . . . because of having to put up money. The Turks need foreign technology more than the Koreans, though, & if they’re ambitious enough to try to go it alone, they’ll still have to bring in foreign firms.
Can the turks pay for all that help from different firms? and will they want so many strings for a fighter that they want to be largely independent from other sources. They have a big gripe with korea taking too much of the partnership and thus control so I imagine design with multiple companies will be worse. Turkey will have to fight them to work together for something as complex as a 5th gen fighter. Also very risky.
Also can I ask how well MANPADs translate to IR missiles on the level of the AIM-9X Python5 or ASRAAM and have there been development paths like that before?
Same for the KM-SAM with the korean 9M96E1 can it be adapted to a medium range missile?