lukos2036 != 2020. 2036 is honestly too far ahead to talk sensibly about.
I think the Su-50 is intended to be far easier to produce than the F-22, due to 44 states not being involved and not having to re-tool each one individually. They went for a lower level of stealth to avoid these problems.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903020.html
The United States’ top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.
“It is a disgrace that you can fly a plane [an average of] only 1.7 hours before it gets a critical failure” that jeopardizes success of the aircraft’s mission, said a Defense Department critic of the plane who is not authorized to speak on the record.
There’s a very good reason why they couldn’t even be bothered to reach 190 and stopped at 187.
lukosAnd how many F-35 players are going to go battle with the Russians and the Chinese? Those that are serious about that capability (South Korea, Israel) will look to both develop missiles of their own and tie closely with US BVR weapon developments. South Korea just announced plans to acquire Aim-120C7’s. Even amongst european users, the AMRAAM will be the dominant missile for years post Meteor IOC. The IOC for the Phoon has been pushed to 2017-2018…When do you think the F-35 will get it? And what will the US have in the wings by then?
How many people will the Russians and Chinese sell their weapons to? As previously mentioned, by 2020 the AIM-120 (more than 20 years old) will be as defunct as the AIM-7M is now. How many people are even still using AIM-120As?
Except for the Data link (Derived from the Aim-120 for teaming-up with F-35 EODAS and other fighter platforms), 3D TVC…
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?125285-Raytheon-Aim-9X-Block-III
ASRAAM has a datalink and HOBS/LOAL too and doesn’t require TVC to achieve over 50g due to advanced body-lifting, which also reduces drag and extends range. Furthermore TVC is no good when the powered phase of flight is over. I don’t see F-35s carrying anything other than MRAAMs. Bringing the enemy in closer would be dangerous. As far as I know a replacement for the ASRAAM, based on CAMM, will incorporate IR and MWR guidance.
lukosOfficial RCS for both the F-22 and F-35 is classified and so is the pure detection range of a APG-77 or the APG-81. BTW Where is the acquisition plans for 1000 PAKFA’s? When will the PAKFA IOC and how long will it take to build up a notional fleet of 1000 PAKFA’s? How long will it take to get the industrial complex ready to provide that amount of fighters….The F-22 IOC’d in 2005..Increment 3.1 came last year. Expect a MLU around 2025 (20 years from IOC) if the threat actually materializes. Of course DARPA has already begun studying F-22 replacement and you will se BUDGETARY activity as early as next year according to DARPA head. So by the time the notional 1000 PAKFA threat materializes (Dont know where the 1000 number comes) the US will have a huge number of F-35s operational in addition to the F-22 and would have had FA-_XX in service and NGAD (f-22 replacement) in the works or close to IOC.
Of course all this will be largely inconsequential…I do not see 1000 In service PAKFAs with the RuAF nor do i see tensions on high between Russia and the US. The big threat is the pacific, and the big rivals are the J20/31…Things will change if PAKFA is sold to china (which would be a slap on the face of the IAF – since they were development partners) but then the US industry is hardly incapable of responding to a particular threat.
1000 Su-50 and 2000 Su-35 by 2020 is what I heard. The F-22 spends too much time in maintenance relative to flying time (hence its cancellation) and the F-35s don’t seem kinematically capable – the CTOL and CATOBAR variants were hamstrung by their conjoined twin, the F-35B. I don’t see any F/A-XX or NGAD ISD for at least 20 years given that the YF-22 first flew in 1990 and neither of these planes mentioned even have a frame sitting in a hanger yet. The YF-22 also lived in rosier economic times.
lukosSure it does..How many do actually have a credible threat where they need to urgently acquire meteors in stead of a cheaper, lower risk Aim-120C program? The Cycle for many C varient users (replacement cycle) will come in due course..No one is going to immediately ditch C versions around 2020-2022 as the International JSF’s come online …This will of course change in the coming years if A) Meteor developers bring costs down) B) Raytheon does nothing and keeps on offering lower cost C versions of the AMRAAM. I do not think the latter is going to happen…
The US’s concept of a AMRAAM replacement is going to be a different beast. A multi-mode seeker system, coupled with long range/ large NEZ performance and the capacity to be tactically flexible (A2a and A2G)…The JDARDM was too risky of a project at the time it was conceived…So what you are seeing a risk reduction being done through various development programs (T3, AFRL programs, industry funded research and development)…When sufficient risk has been reduced and the demand is sufficient enough (as was the case with the USN’s demand for Aim-9x Blk III) the US will look at something to replace the AMRAAM. Most AMRAAM nations would probably consider acquiring the same as raytheon has a relationship with them and will look to integrate the new missile smoothly into existing fleets…Meteor will surely offer a competitive missile for most AMRAAM users, but the Meteor is hardly going to KILL the AMRAAM at a time when fighter fleets are shrinking and defense budgets on the decline. AMRAAM offers affordability for most nations that are not considering fighting PAKFA’s and J-20’s, while the future MRAAM prospects are going to come in due course.
Sure it don’t. The Russians and Chinese aren’t sitting on their hands until 2020 and already have the likes of the R-37, R-172, and PL-12D and are working on the R-77RVV-AE-PD. By 2020 the AIM-120C will be defunct outside Africa and a few other poorly equipped places. How many people are still using the AIM-7M now?
MBDA is also looking to develop the Meteor into a dual role missile, possibly using the Brimstone MWR for terminal homing on radar equipment. Seekers are infinitely replaceable – see AIM-120A/B/C/D.
The AIM-9X-III sounds just like an ASRAAM.:cool:
Again £1m
http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/mbda-meteor-missiles-for-french-rafales.html
lukosIt does not have to be.
It does if you’re up against an enemy with a longer range missile.
There is also the fact that meteor leave a smoke trail
[video=youtube;WSuCLKRnt9Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WSuCLKRnt9Q%5Bvideo]
Until it switches to ramjet after the initial speed boost. Not going to be much use to someone 50 miles away.
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http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/AMRAAM.html#Budget
$1.47 million
AMRAAM Number purchased 2010: 170, Cost: $272,714,000
The C variant isn’t in the same class. Even the AIM-120D has an ‘effective’ range of only 60km, whereas the Meteor’s effecive range is ~100km.
£2.1 million is not the unit production cost, that includes development work. The unit production cost is £1m.
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http://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2004/01/0304195.pdf
lukoshttp://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/AMRAAM.html
http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/AMRAAM.html#Budget
The unit cost of the AIM-120D AMRAAM missile is $1.47 million (in 2012).
Even the AIM-9X-II will cost $0.685 million per unit. Page 164 does show the huge variance in the predicted cost and current estimated cost for the AMRAAM program over FY2013 although it doesn’t show unit cost.
$23,761m vs $11,246m
lukosThe thing is that the F-35 is quoted as having the RCS of a golf ball, which I make to be 0.00785m^2 in total surface area, however the officially quoted figure is 0.001. RT – Technology Update – recently quoted the PAK-FA at tennis ball RCS, as opposed to football RCS when the same RAM is applied to 4th/4.5th gen fighters. Relatively this would put it at about 5-6 times the RCS of an F-35, circa 0.005m^2, based on r^2 proportionality, and I guess an Su-35 with the same coating would be around 0.05m^2.
The difference will make for an increase in detection range of about 50% which, coincidently, is roughly how much greater the range of an AESA-based version of IRBIS-E would be vs APG series AESA like AN/APG-77 (300km vs <200km for 1m^2 RCS). That theoretically level-pegs them on detection in the BVR game but on evasion, the PAK-FA will achieve a clean victory, not just through superior trans/supersonic performance and manoeuvrability (especially at high altitude) due to lower wing-loading combined with 3-D TVC, but also because of the side-facing AESA that can maintain track and update launched missiles during evasion. The higher altitude/speed capabilities will also transmit more energy to missiles when launched. And with 1,000 PAK-FAs in the pipeline, I don’t see 18X (I forget how many have crashed) F-22s with questionable availability metrics being able to combat the threat. Pretty bleak outlook.
lukosIt’s certifying Meteor loads currently. Are you sure it has fired them?
lukosI know that the Typhoon has fired Meteors in testing already.
lukosI would have thought that bike was banned from public roads, since police cant clock it’s speed
New cameras are based on laser.:p
lukosI don’t think I fully understand RCS. They always liken it to a spherical object but the total surface area of a sphere isn’t reflective to any one source, so what does it actually mean?
lukosThe 120D costs as much as a Meteor.
$1.47m vs £1m
lukosSo when is Storm Shadow due?
lukosIt probably differs from country to country because different countries are qualifying different weapons. By 2018-2020 everything should be qualified.
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