lukosLatest pic. What are those two circles near wing tips?
Luneburg lens maybe. The F-35 has similar devices above the wings near the root.
lukosLukos loves to be humiliated and asks for more !
Go troll elsewhere.
lukosLinking the same sources again and again won’t make your claims any more believable. Especially if they don’t say a thing about Mk1 having a new back-end.
There is nothing obvious. Either you have a source which says it or you are a loser.
Wow, you need it again, okay:
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
According to Panorama Difesa, the updated schedule for the evolution of the Typhoon starts during 2014, with the launch of the Phase 2 Enhancement program. P2E will introduce the AESA radar, which will start being available in 2015/16 and will reach its full capability with two successive releases of improvements, one in 2017 and one in 2019. The AESA radar will enable the Typhoon to fully exploit the capabilities of the Meteor long range air to air missile, included the 2-way datalink which makes the weapon a fully networked effector, capable of in-flight retargeting. The AESA will be more powerful and reliable, will track a higher number of targets simultaneously and it is also expected to be able to perform acts as a high-speed communication system (radar to radar) and an Electronic Warfare weapon, with Jamming capability.
The british AESA technology demonstrator, the Bright Adder, is said to be particularly focused on the EW function.
The AESA situation is complex, as there are, effectively, two different evolution paths which will be harmonized into the final product: in addition to the British Bright Adder demonstrator, the Euroradar consortium, led by SELEX Galileo and comprising Cassidian and Indra, is working on the Captor-E, development of which was announced at the Farnborough International Air Show on 20 July 2010.
Four years is by no means ancient..
Compared to 22 months it is.
I don’t need to.. Because you haven’t provided a single source which actually confirms your nonsense.
Wow, you need it again, okay:
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
According to Panorama Difesa, the updated schedule for the evolution of the Typhoon starts during 2014, with the launch of the Phase 2 Enhancement program. P2E will introduce the AESA radar, which will start being available in 2015/16 and will reach its full capability with two successive releases of improvements, one in 2017 and one in 2019. The AESA radar will enable the Typhoon to fully exploit the capabilities of the Meteor long range air to air missile, included the 2-way datalink which makes the weapon a fully networked effector, capable of in-flight retargeting. The AESA will be more powerful and reliable, will track a higher number of targets simultaneously and it is also expected to be able to perform acts as a high-speed communication system (radar to radar) and an Electronic Warfare weapon, with Jamming capability.
The british AESA technology demonstrator, the Bright Adder, is said to be particularly focused on the EW function.
The AESA situation is complex, as there are, effectively, two different evolution paths which will be harmonized into the final product: in addition to the British Bright Adder demonstrator, the Euroradar consortium, led by SELEX Galileo and comprising Cassidian and Indra, is working on the Captor-E, development of which was announced at the Farnborough International Air Show on 20 July 2010.
So, they will order radars in say Nov 2016 and then in 2017 they will update the not-yet-produced radars?… A nice logic, indeed.
That is when they will have given the order by, it could happen a lot sooner. It’s also a radar not an aircraft they’re producing.
You’re right, it’s over.. You’ve lost on all fronts, joker..
I’ll just put this here again, since you ignore it last time:
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
According to Panorama Difesa, the updated schedule for the evolution of the Typhoon starts during 2014, with the launch of the Phase 2 Enhancement program. P2E will introduce the AESA radar, which will start being available in 2015/16 and will reach its full capability with two successive releases of improvements, one in 2017 and one in 2019. The AESA radar will enable the Typhoon to fully exploit the capabilities of the Meteor long range air to air missile, included the 2-way datalink which makes the weapon a fully networked effector, capable of in-flight retargeting. The AESA will be more powerful and reliable, will track a higher number of targets simultaneously and it is also expected to be able to perform acts as a high-speed communication system (radar to radar) and an Electronic Warfare weapon, with Jamming capability.
The british AESA technology demonstrator, the Bright Adder, is said to be particularly focused on the EW function.
The AESA situation is complex, as there are, effectively, two different evolution paths which will be harmonized into the final product: in addition to the British Bright Adder demonstrator, the Euroradar consortium, led by SELEX Galileo and comprising Cassidian and Indra, is working on the Captor-E, development of which was announced at the Farnborough International Air Show on 20 July 2010.
Full capability in two updates, 2017 and 2019. Will offer EW jamming and HS comms. Wouldn’t be full capability if the latter wasn’t included in those two updates now would it?
lukosI did not claim that.. US NAVY did.. Of course, how could they know better than you…
And you fail to examine context or understand the capabilities of AESA, which is why you take anything at face value. People don’t fund useless technology if they think/know it’s useless.
lukosGreat.. Show me a single source claiming the original proposal for Captor-E based on Captor-D back-end was deleted/cancelled in favor of a new radar with a back-end and there is nothing to discuss… It’s that simple…
Inferred in text.
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/WHR_1-15_Maximising_European_Combat_Air_Power.pdf
There is nothing to accept because the articles don’t say the updates are for Mk2. They only mention AESA, nothing else.. That “AESA means Mk2” is just something you have added in your head in blind hope to see Rafale’s AESA magically surpassed by the Captor-E… One hardly needs to be a genius to see what your true motives are.
When two versions are known about, Mk1 and Mk2 and we have two updates, it is obvious. The article also mentions electronic attack, which is associated with Mk2 and there are only 2 major updates highlighted, 2017 and 2019.
I have provided many more sources back in the F-35 thread (Post #1077) where this discussion has originated, …
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?133321-F-35-News-Multimedia-amp-Discussion-thread-(2015)/page36
All of which are ancient.
… incl. an official press release by SELEX from Jun 2011.
http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_captor_e_es.pdf
Provide one source from within the last 2 years. Can’t do it can you?
Anyway, by your logic, in four years, SELEX have not only recognized their old AESA radar was a piece of crap and cancelled the whole development, but also launched development of a completely new radar with new architecture, secured funding, finalized tests and made it complete for ordering by 2015.. And yes, completely failed to mention it to the press and pretty much anyone.. except lukos, of course.
Currently the Selex website just redirects to the Typhoon website for Captor-E. You may not have noticed this but they have been actively involved in the Raven ES-05 and other radars, so back end development has happened anyway.
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😎 Is that your proof that partner nations like Spain or Austria will order Captor-E radars in 2015? You’re getting desperate, IMO.[/quote]
RAF will likely order it by the end of 2016.
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1) Mk1 has neither electronic attack nor high speed comms. Yet you still claim it has a new architecture [which it hasn’t]
2) Not a single source of yours claims the 2019 update results in a new architecture or EW capabilities added.. I have been through the articles a half dozen times, it simply isn’t there.. You have invented this BS and now hope that stubborn repeating somehow makes it true.. Guess what, it doesn’t..[/QUOTE]
Read harder.
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Bright%20Adder
According to Panorama Difesa, the updated schedule for the evolution of the Typhoon starts during 2014, with the launch of the Phase 2 Enhancement program.
P2E will introduce the AESA radar, which will start being available in 2015/16 and will reach its full capability with two successive releases of improvements, one in 2017 and one in 2019.The AESA radar will enable the Typhoon to fully exploit the capabilities of the Meteor long range air to air missile, included the 2-way datalink which makes the weapon a fully networked effector, capable of in-flight retargeting. The AESA will be more powerful and reliable, will track a higher number of targets simultaneously and it is also expected to be able to acts as a high-speed communication system (radar to radar) and an Electronic Warfare weapon, with Jamming capability.
Can’t be any clearer than that without feeding you the message letter by letter using alphabet soup. Full capability with 2 updates in 2017 and 2019. Full capability includes EW/Jamming/high-speed comms. It’s over, goodbye.
Does this explain how the development happened for you? Same article.
The AESA situation is complex, as there are, effectively, two different evolution paths which will be harmonized into the final product: in addition to the british Bright Adder demonstrator, the Euroradar consortium, led by SELEX Galileo and comprising Cassidian and Indra, is working on the Captor-E, development of which was announced at the Farnborough International Air Show on 20 July 2010.
So it wasn’t just the Euroradar consortium funding it and oh look:
The british AESA technology demonstrator, the Bright Adder, is said to be particularly focused on the EW function.
😀
Also looks like Meteor, Brimstone and Storm Shadow are part of the same updates from the rest of the text.
lukosI did the same thing on a simulator (DCS: Ka-50 Black Shark).:D
lukos
lukosIt just occurred to me. Is there a reason for the vertical separation of the twin rotors on the Ka-52? Why isn’t it shorter?
Because rotors flex in flight and I imagine you need separation for aerodynamic reasons too.
lukosJust don’t tell that to lukos. Because in his next post he will claim that each update means a completely new radar and that the current Captor-E is at least Mk7.
Whooa, you already got a pro-American medal? I have only earned an anti-American title thus far.. What did you say? 🙂
I am aware of that.. But I won’t let those Jon-Lake-types ruin my day just because they are persistent in their nonsense.
Weren’t you the same guy who tried claiming that AESA isn’t really any better than legacy radar types wrt mission success? So why are you so bothered about debating this, since, either way, the improvement will be negligible in your view. Wasn’t it you who plopped into the F-35 thread to derail that with your ‘AESA isn’t really any better claims’ and after mission success there, you plopped yourself straight back into this thread?
lukosWell, the most obvious explanation is that it was delayed. Ever heard of such phenomenon?
And why was it delayed? Because things change. In 2010 the idea was probably to rush out any old AESA but then more mature technology became available and people started discussing electronic attack and emerging capabilities.
Of course it doesn’t. The decision to show interest and fund those new functions only came in recently. Which is another indication that the current radar [Mk1] has an old back-end. Because just few years ago, no one even knew a new back-end was necessary..
See above, it’s an indication that everything has changed since the article you quoted. You can also bet that some of the Meteor delay is down to emerging technology too and forethought about F-35 integration.
That’s completely correct with one exception – the Mk2 is not in existence as of yet.. What it does not say, though is:
– that the Mk1 has a new back-end [which it doesn’t even need]
– that the Mk2 will come in 2019. What will come in 2019 is another update [of existing radar which is Mk1]..
Actually it very clearly says all those things in the plainest English imaginable. Mk1, Mk2, two basic radar standards, two updates, latter one has electronic attack. But of course you invented the scenario where Mk1 updates happen twice inside your mind instead and omit Mk2 from the stated timescale altogether, all inside your mind and nowhere in the text. Nothing in the text supports or suggests that. Have you any idea how big a cognitive jump that really is compared to just accepting that the two updates are for Mk1 and Mk2?
That is pretty much exactly what I am claiming. And nothing in your articles indicates otherwise..
There isn’t a scrap of evidence posted since 2013 that supports your claims and the logical inference from all current sources support mine.
I am glad that you’re slowly getting it.. A source which would provide a proof for the Mk1 having a new back-end and disprove my seven sources stating the exact opposite should say exactly what you have just written, imagine that. The can off course skip the MSphere part, that is..
How does one source from 2010 equal seven? And the fact that it contains at least two other factual inaccuracies realised during the last 5 years should exemplify your folly for using it, whilst also showing that it is overshadowed by more recent sources.
That is by far not certain, nor is the date of the order signature certain.. Captor-E is a big topic for export market, yes.. but the partner nations have only shown a very lukewarm response thus far.. Captor-D is a damn good radar with great MTBF, hence why bother throwing money out of the window and retiring something which is still perfectly adequate for one’s true needs?
Obvious answer, defence purposes. That’s like asking, why have a Typhoon at all, when the Tornado was doing just fine, as was the Spitfire before it. Hell why have the F-35 either for that matter? Why did anyone bother with anything? Your perspectives are pathetically weak.
And that says someone who interprets a two-year delay compared to the plan as a proof of a new radar version with an entirely new back-end having been silently developed. A back-end which is nowhere mentioned, BTW.. Hmmm, sounds plausible… :dev2:
The breadth of capabilities are not something possible without a new back end. It’s clear from the mention of electronic attack, high speed comms, further integration with DASS and long range NCTR that it’s a new architecture. You magic’d up some BS about two updates of Mk1 and omitted Mk2 from the stated timescale inside your head rather than just accepting that the two updates were for Mk1 and Mk2 as any normal rational person would.
lukosOh, in that case yes, it’s external carry, but with a range of 1,000km stealth isn’t that important to delivery.
lukosKind of strange that he uses quotes without saying who he’s quoting in that article.
lukosWith respect, utter rubbish.
The PAK-FA is needed to replace the MiG-31 and much of the legacy Su-27 fleet. It is a step above the Su-35 in kinematic performance and that will not be dismissed by the Russian authorities.
Isn’t the MiG-41 supposed to replace the MiG-31?
lukosJASSM won’t fit in an F-35. It will be an external carriage only weapon when it is integrated.
Maybe he means JSOW-ER.
lukosCan you do me a small favour, please? Can you stop going on?
Just a slight fix.:D
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